Historic Boats for sale online

[Tim Lewis]

Kew

 

 

[Athy]

So she worked for BW for only five years? That must be one of the shortest working lives of any commercial narrowboat.

[Ray T]

Governor.

 

No connection

 

https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/harris-brothers-45-icebreaker-tug-for-sale/692574?fbclid=IwAR3Zeb0b6fSbotwJRgV1PKu1ybRviIIsN5JyrSOXZxhmmAb3TK07sY_J-5Q

[Athy]

5 minutes ago, Ray T said:

Governor.

 

No connection

 

https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/harris-brothers-45-icebreaker-tug-for-sale/692574?fbclid=IwAR3Zeb0b6fSbotwJRgV1PKu1ybRviIIsN5JyrSOXZxhmmAb3TK07sY_J-5Q

So you've noticed it too!

[WhiteSuit]

On 21/03/2022 at 08:21, koukouvagia said:

That link doesn't work for me.  I just get an empty page.

Today's market maybe, blink and you miss it. I presume sold or can't bear to be without it. Unless they noticed mtb and my comments and thought they had better change the cooking arrangements in order to sell!

[Mike Tee]

https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-traditional-for-sale/655585

£95k (gulp!)

[MtB]

43 minutes ago, Mike Tee said:

https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-traditional-for-sale/655585

£95k (gulp!)

 

It does make me smile when I see this spelling mistake in a boat advert!

 

"2 birth boatmans cabin and 2 birth sofa bed in saloon"

 

Seems to imply the seller has four children, all born aboard.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2022 by MtB
Add a bit.

[Tonka]

46 minutes ago, MtB said:

 

It does make me smile when I see this spelling mistake in a boat advert!

 

"2 birth boatmans cabin and 2 birth sofa bed in saloon"

 

Seems to imply the seller has four children, all born aboard.

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps they are birthing chairs

[Rose Narrowboats]

6 hours ago, MtB said:

 

It does make me smile when I see this spelling mistake in a boat advert!

 

"2 birth boatmans cabin and 2 birth sofa bed in saloon"

 

Seems to imply the seller has four children, all born aboard.

 

 

 

 

 

We often get asked how many "births" our (or should that be are?) boats. I'm always tempeted to reply with "Well, none so as I know, but I'm told there has been at least one conception..."

 

I'm surpised that after owning for so many years they seem to think it was tug. It wasn't, it was a carrying boat, and as built with a 9hp single pot engine I doubt it ever worked with a butty.

 

[ditchcrawler]

6 minutes ago, Rose Narrowboats said:

We often get asked how many "births" our (or should that be are?) boats. I'm always tempeted to reply with "Well, none so as I know, but I'm told there has been at least one conception..."

 

I'm surpised that after owning for so many years they seem to think it was tug. It wasn't, it was a carrying boat, and as built with a 9hp single pot engine I doubt it ever worked with a butty.

 

I take it , it would have been 70+ feet when built. Does chopping a third off increase the value, hardly a historic craft any more IMO

[Jonny P]

1 minute ago, ditchcrawler said:

I take it , it would have been 70+ feet when built. Does chopping a third off increase the value, hardly a historic craft any more IMO

70’ and a bit more. It says it was chopped in half to make two boats. Appearances seem to confirm that’s not the original bow.

[David Mack]

41 minutes ago, Captain Pegg said:

70’ and a bit more. It says it was chopped in half to make two boats. Appearances seem to confirm that’s not the original bow.

No. That's what the bow of a Severner looks like. This is Willow:

[Jonny P]

4 minutes ago, David Mack said:

No. That's what the bow of a Severner looks like. This is Willow:

Timber cants? The one for sale appears to have none.

 

So possibly a bit chopped out of the middle to make another boat.

[IanM]

59 minutes ago, Captain Pegg said:

Timber cants? The one for sale appears to have none.

 

So possibly a bit chopped out of the middle to make another boat.

 

I think the make another boat bit is wrong, it's probably just had a bit chopped out of the middle with that part then being scrapped.  Who is going to chop a boat in half, then make a whole new 20ft section to turn it into 55ft and then make another new 20ft section to make a 2nd boat?

[BEngo]

I cannot see the tongue in cheek smiley so I'll bite.  There are several GUCCCo buttys,  at least one Josher butty and one Josher motor,   going around as two boats after being bisected.

 

ISTR one of the Severners was to be found in Aylesbury as a shortish boat with a Cruiser stern  in the late 70's/ early 80s.  Either "Pine "or "Fir" I think.

 

"Ash" with the Wakehams, was also there.

 

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[IanM]

8 minutes ago, BEngo said:

I cannot see the tongue in cheek smiley so I'll bite.  There are several GUCCCo buttys,  at least one Josher butty and one Josher motor,   going around as two boats after being bisected.

 

I was aware of that, but how many have 20ft of new boat added as apposed to just a new swim and counter.

[BEngo]

22 minutes ago, IanM said:

 

I was aware of that, but how many have 20ft of new boat added as apposed to just a new swim and counter.

Most of them. A decent new swim, engine 'ole and counter would be around 20 ft anyway. 

 

Frinstances: Dubhe is roughly half the original butty, with a decent sized extension: Achilles is about  60ft, again about half butty half new. Grange and Grange End are both about 60 ft, Bream had a substantial new chunk of fore end added to the Josher Swim.  I have never seen the front end of Bream but did met the owner once.  Brentford has more new boat than old bow.

 

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[GUMPY]

1 hour ago, BEngo said:

Brentford has more new boat than old bow.

Is  Brentford a historic boat?

I understood it was originaly a hire boat, however I cant remember the boats name.

 

Brain  works slowly ........

Was Brentford origionaly named Creeping Jenny?

 

Edited March 24, 2022 by Loddon

[David Mack]

2 hours ago, IanM said:

 

I was aware of that, but how many have 20ft of new boat added as apposed to just a new swim and counter.

And a few motors which were shortened in BW days by taking a section out of the middle, but retaining the original bow and stern, have since had new plates inserted in the middle to take them to (or nearer to) their original length.

[Derek R.]

14 hours ago, Loddon said:

Is  Brentford a historic boat?

I understood it was originaly a hire boat, however I cant remember the boats name.

 

Brain  works slowly ........

Was Brentford origionaly named Creeping Jenny?

 

 

John & Georgie had CREEPING JENNY. It may have been an ex-hire boat but can't confirm that. In its shorter state (45-50ft?), it had a BM twin in the place where a back cabin would have been. Always spotless. When John lengthened it sometime in the eighties (to 60ft?), it acquired a back cabin and a engine'ole, and another engine. 3 or 4 pot BM - can't remember - it also lost the 'CREEPING'. It became JENNY. Then John acquired a hull, how much I don't know, and he grafted the fore end onto JENNY, renaming the boat BRENTFORD. It was mooted to be a Josher fore end, and became 70ft(?) What the hull or the fore end was called is also unknown, though from what I can gather there wasn't an ex-working boat called BRENTFORD, though that doesn't mean there never was one.

 

JENNY at around 60ft

 

 

JENNY lenghtened, with its original fore end and the skinny gunnel.

 

A bit of BREAM (the back end) and something else

 

 

All images are mine.

 

[roland elsdon]

17 hours ago, IanM said:

 

I think the make another boat bit is wrong, it's probably just had a bit chopped out of the middle with that part then being scrapped.  Who is going to chop a boat in half, then make a whole new 20ft section to turn it into 55ft and then make another new 20ft section to make a 2nd boat?

Im not naming names….

but i know of a 1980s steel narrowboat that became a josher, 

 

A station boat that was turned into a 60 foot motor then cut again, taken back up to 70 . The stern turned into another tug. God was the survey interesting.

1928 meets 1990 meets 1997 , iron meets steel, then more iron then finally steel again.

At one time it was moored alongside itself the total length now being 117 feet.

 
 

2 minutes ago, roland elsdon said:

Im not naming names….

but i know of a 1980s steel narrowboat that became a josher, 

 

A station boat that was turned into a 60 foot motor then cut again, taken back up to 70 . The stern turned into another tug. God was the survey interesting.

1928 meets 1990 meets 1997 , iron meets steel, then more iron then finally steel again.

At one time it was moored alongside itself the total length now being 117 feet.

 
 

Ahh always read to end of posts! Someone else outed Brentford for me!!

[Jonny P]

18 hours ago, IanM said:

 

I think the make another boat bit is wrong, it's probably just had a bit chopped out of the middle with that part then being scrapped.  Who is going to chop a boat in half, then make a whole new 20ft section to turn it into 55ft and then make another new 20ft section to make a 2nd boat?

There would have been about 17’ removed which with a new bow, rear swim and counter would make a 35’ boat so I don’t think it’s impossible, and the boat in question may very well be referenced above.

[Jonny P]

17 hours ago, BEngo said:

I cannot see the tongue in cheek smiley so I'll bite.  There are several GUCCCo buttys,  at least one Josher butty and one Josher motor,   going around as two boats after being bisected.

 

ISTR one of the Severners was to be found in Aylesbury as a shortish boat with a Cruiser stern  in the late 70's/ early 80s.  Either "Pine "or "Fir" I think.

 

"Ash" with the Wakehams, was also there.

 

N

That’s common knowledge and cutting a butty in half to make two powered boats was a logical thing to do. Cutting up a motor to make two boats makes a lot less sense, but perhaps it’s a reminder that there was a time when 55’ would have been considered quite a large boat.

[magnetman]

There used to be a 45ft ish narrow boat called "Antony" moored at Springwell near Ricky. 

 

It was rather unusual in that it had the stern of what I assumed was a GU star class motor but it had a modern steel bow section.

So presumably the original bow went on another boat somewhere or perhaps it was too badly damaged and became unserviceable. 

 

It was a nice boat about 45ft long. Wooden cabin and apparently the bow section, which was an unusual shape and appeared to have a double curve effect, was made by WFBCo. 

 

Not been up there for years so don't know if it's still there. Last time I saw it was probably around 2005. 

 

That seems to be an example of a motor which was cut to make two boats. 

 

 

ETA I think it was a yarwoods craft but not sure. Interestingly there are two boats on the boat listing with that name. One by H&W and one by yarwoods so perhaps some confusion somewhere along the line. I think the one at Ricky was the Water Lilac which was presumably a BW hire boat. 

 

Edited March 25, 2022 by magnetman

[BWM]

Juno and Gorse are another two with split identities.