David Mack Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 Just come across this image on an eBay boat sale listing Was it really easier to run the flue pipe that far down the boat than to move the chimney collar? And I trust that is a double skin flue as otherwise someone is going to be risking a burnt forehead! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/145111039160 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 What a terrible job!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 How are they going to clean it? It will smoke like a bugger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, peterboat said: How are they going to clean it? It will smoke like a bugger Maybe that's what the hooks are for, to hang some hams? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Tee Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 I'd like to see a photo of the outside, the cabin sides look all out of proportion to the hull sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted June 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mike Tee said: I'd like to see a photo of the outside, the cabin sides look all out of proportion to the hull sides. Yes. It's a very boxy boat. There's more pictures in the eBay ad. But probably worth it for a liveaboard boat on a permanent mooring, that never goes anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsM Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 Have a read of the eBay listing. Boat has no engine and has been on the same mooring for 20 years so goodness knows what state the hull is in. Basically a floating London flat. Interesting option for deposits that I've not seen before - "10% deposit will hold the boat for 14 days, 20% deposit will hold the boat for 30 days, 30% deposit will hold the boat for 60 days". Doesn't say whether the deposit is refundable (see discussion in recent 'buyer beware' thread). "The mooring cost is £449 a month, this is untransferable. There is some other small costs such as gas, electricity and ruver license, but its all relatively cheap. You can obviously move the boat to a mooring of your choice, but its cheap living in London and the boat has been moored here for 20 years. The mooring is in no way part of the deal, the price is solely for the boat only. The moorings are rented and cannot be purchased. You are not obliged to take the mooring. Just giving an option as it works well here." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterF Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 The boat is out of proportion because they have had to increase the height of the cabin roof, cutting it off the sides and letting in an extra 12" of cabin side so that there is still enough headroom below the flue in the galley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianws Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 It's hard to tell; it's not obvious from the photos that the surface behind the stove is adequate. Also, pipes aren't as hot as the stove itself but the horizontal section running parallel and close to the roof surely isn't a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ianws said: but the horizontal section running parallel and close to the roof surely isn't a good idea. A horizontal run is not allowed and, recommended no more than 2x 30 degree bends for any 'angled joints' But to quote @MtB "who checks and who cares anyway" Edited June 18, 2023 by Alan de Enfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted June 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said: A horizontal run is not allowed and, recommended no more than 2x 30 degree bends for any 'angled joints' Inadvisable certainly, but "not allowed" by whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 Damned hot sitting at the fire end of that seat too. So far as I'm concerned that installation is not safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, David Mack said: Inadvisable certainly, but "not allowed" by whom? Probably the ISOs if building to RCD/RCR, but even that is doubtful as the BS/ISO we know about in relation to stoves is only best practice. The building regs may well have something in them, but I doubt they apply to boats Edited June 18, 2023 by Tony Brooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy D'arth Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 41 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said: Probably the ISOs if building to RCD/RCR, but even that is doubtful as the BS/ISO we know about in relation to stoves is only best practice. The building regs may well have something in them, but I doubt they apply to boats Stove makers instructions will not allow such a flue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo47 Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 I suppose that the longer length of flue pipe could mean that more heat gets extracted from the flue gases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said: A horizontal run is not allowed and, recommended no more than 2x 30 degree bends for any 'angled joints' But to quote @MtB "who checks and who cares anyway" Where does it say that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted June 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 59 minutes ago, Ronaldo47 said: I suppose that the longer length of flue pipe could mean that more heat gets extracted from the flue gases. That flue pipe is double the length of a simple vertical flue, and with two 90 degree bends. All that extra resistance to flow means the fire will not draw nearly as well. And the horizontal section is much more likely to soot up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 37 minutes ago, David Mack said: That flue pipe is double the length of a simple vertical flue, and with two 90 degree bends. All that extra resistance to flow means the fire will not draw nearly as well. And the horizontal section is much more likely to soot up. I don't think anyone has been disputing the installation is stupid, having inerrant practical problems (sweeping it) and dangers. What has been disputed is the statement that horizontal flues are not allowed and that was followed up by discussions about who enforces it, if indeed that statement even applies to boats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, ditchcrawler said: Where does it say that ? 1) It was in the installation instructions that came with my stove and 2) It is stated in the Stove installation on Small boats BS spec (which is not compulsory, but shows 'best practice', and in the event of a fire / problem no doubt the insurers would wriggle saying it had not been installed in accordance with 'best practice'.) Basic (soliftec.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterway2go Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 When I saw the headimg "extreme flue pipe" it reminded me of the early days of the campaign to save the Forth & Clyde Canal from piecemeal obliteration. In 1975 this former swing bridge was about to be replaced with an armco tube so in an attempt to stop the work this barge was fitted with a stove and flue which just cleared the bridge. The just graduated lawyer pictured obtained an interim interdict against the County Council to stop the work. It was a spurious case that stood no chance of sticking, but it did result in some useful publicity, and a Parliamentary Question. The armco tube went ahead but was later replaced with a proper bridge with acceptable headroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 5 hours ago, David Mack said: That flue pipe is double the length of a simple vertical flue, and with two 90 degree bends. All that extra resistance to flow means the fire will not draw nearly as well. And the horizontal section is much more likely to soot up. more likely to tar up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bod Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 Does a proper house boat, (by either C&RT or HMRC definitions) need a BSSC? Bod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacet Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 Horizontal flues are all the rage in coal- fired steam boilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEngo Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tacet said: Horizontal flues are all the rage in coal- fired steam boilers. And those flues are a part of the boiler installation and are provided with access doors so you can shove an urchin or two in to clean and sweep them. Even then, flue explosions are not unknown. The flues are also usually drawn by a ruddy great brick chimney. N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacet Posted June 19, 2023 Report Share Posted June 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, BEngo said: And those flues are a part of the boiler installation and are provided with access doors so you can shove an urchin or two in to clean and sweep them. Even then, flue explosions are not unknown. The flues are also usually drawn by a ruddy great brick chimney. N I was more thinking of locomotive boilers with fire tubes. Bizzard has a terrifying picture of an exploded one. Maybe the one below? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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