Historic Boats for sale online

[billybobbooth 78]

I don't see the point of overplate apart from being potentially cheaper but can still be a risk to interior in which case cut and weld is the far better option

[zenataomm 1394]

I remember Fir from the 80s.

She had a SL2 under the back deck.

The conversion to hire boat was done by the son of Wyvern Shipping.  He removed the elm bottom (if you look at the historical photo in the advert you'll see the kelson) 

He also took 15ft out of the middle, and the work was done at Braunstone.

She had her original massive rudder and was so good in reverse could be steered backwards around the island in Brownings Pool repeatedly.

 

The advert says she was originally a tug ...... really?

Referring back to the photos of her working clearly show her to be a carrying boat.

 

Nice looking boat, shame she's been made to look like any old working boat when the Counter - Engine Hole - Living Cabin original layout was so distinctively original.  Far too much money IMO.

Edited January 19 by zenataomm
Got me fats and fars muxed ip

[junior 507]

Seems about £70k overpriced. 

[Admiral 11]

Dont know if this has been seen before?

 

Chiswick

[Muddy Waters 0]

In the ad for Fir it says that it is tax exempt but what does that mean? No VAT on the sale price or something else?

[junior 507]

Didn't think you paid VAT on boats?

[Dav and Pen 375]

There’s vat on new boats unless they are large enough and meet the other criteria to be zero rated. There could be vat if the boat is being brought from a registered business and it has been on their books as an asset.

[Tam & Di 516]

You certainly pay VAT on a boat bought from a professional builder - if it is sufficiently large to come within the definition of "Qualifying Ship" you are paying at the Zero Rate so the effect is you pay nothing, but in tax terms it is still VAT Paid. If you bought a second-hand boat through a broker you would pay VAT on his fees, not the vessel itself.

 

"Tax Exempt" has a different meaning in tax law. It is an item where 'tax does not apply' and I'm not sure how a boat sale comes under that unless it is a private sale.

 

Tam

Edited Monday at 12:41 by Tam & Di

[ditchcrawler 2193]

23 minutes ago, Tam & Di said:

You certainly pay VAT on a boat bought from a professional builder - if it is sufficiently large to come within the definition of "Qualifying Ship" you are paying at the Zero Rate so the effect is you pay nothing, but in tax terms it is still VAT Paid. If you bought a second-hand boat through a broker you would pay VAT on his fees, not the vessel itself.

 

"Tax Exempt" has a different meaning in tax law. It is an item where 'tax does not apply' and I'm not sure how a boat sale comes under that unless it is a private sale.

 

Tam

Would it be the same if you bought an exhire boat from a VAT registered hire company. I take it they would have bought it VAT free bit the vat would need paying when its sold on. I think the same thing happens with second hand vans

[Dav and Pen 375]

8 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

Would it be the same if you bought an exhire boat from a VAT registered hire company. I take it they would have bought it VAT free bit the vat would need paying when its sold on. I think the same thing happens with second hand vans

The original buyer would have paid vat but being a registered company would claim this back. When sold there would be vat to charge. 

[frahkn 312]

43 minutes ago, Tam & Di said:

You certainly pay VAT on a boat bought from a professional builder - if it is sufficiently large to come within the definition of "Qualifying Ship" you are paying at the Zero Rate so the effect is you pay nothing, but in tax terms it is still VAT Paid. If you bought a second-hand boat through a broker you would pay VAT on his fees, not the vessel itself.

 

"Tax Exempt" has a different meaning in tax law. It is an item where 'tax does not apply' and I'm not sure how a boat sale comes under that unless it is a private sale.

 

Tam

As above.

Full rate

Lower rate

Zero rate

VAT exempt

Outside the scope

[Sara Strawson 1]

On 14/06/2020 at 19:41, pete harrison said:

VELA was built as a 71'6'' unpowered small Woolwich butty, i.e. it was designed to be towed behind a powered boat or motor. Once out of trade VELA was cut in two, with each end rebuilt into pleasure boats - the original fore end being used as a fore end and the original stern also used as a fore end, and both fitted with conventional counter sterns. The boat you have bought is the original stern being used as a fore end.

 

Do you know much about these old working boats

 

edit - the photographs on Ebay when VELA was for sale a few weeks ago showed it having a welded conventional counter stern rather than a 'flat traditional stern'. I am sure there is some confusion in the terms you / we are using - and congratulations on your acquisition. 

 

 

A late response as completely lost this thread. We have been working and trying to refit the boat at the same time - weather permitting!  I am sure you are quite correct about the stern.  My knowledge is growing and we are trying to make sure we use the correct terms.  It has been really interesting learning about Vela and am gradually saving the information separately.  Love having a boat with history!

 

Thank you!

[Tim Lewis 413]

Ara and Archimedes have been put up for sale via a Facebook post

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:03 by Tim Lewis

[matty40s 4167]

1 minute ago, Tim Lewis said:

Ara and Archimedes have been put up for sale via a Facebook post

Ara and Archimedes have been put up for sale via a Facebook post

Ara and Archimedes have been put up for sale via a Facebook post

Which one of the three is the genuine ad

[ditchcrawler 2193]

14 minutes ago, Tim Lewis said:

Ara and Archimedes have been put up for sale via a Facebook post

 

I thought I posted that yesterday but it seams to have disappeared.

[Sara Strawson 1]

On 14/06/2020 at 19:38, stagedamager said:

Hi Sara. 

Yep, you have the stern end, so your bow is the original butty stern going backwards. The other half still exists as a motor, with the original bow. There are numerous photos of her working, probably the best well known is in the bottom lock of the Derby Canal when it had been closed to traffic.

 

Good luck with your project

 

Kind regards

 

Dan

Thanks Dan I will look out for those.

On 14/06/2020 at 20:02, furnessvale said:

Good luck with the hunting. I have researched my own boat, Badger, and you will fill many hours finding cargoes, who steered her and when, even the wages of the skipper if you are lucky.  Ellesmere Port museum has loads of info, but getting through the maze of it is something else!

Sorry - very late reply but I lost this thread.

 

Thank you for that information.  I have made a note and will definitely look this up!  Looks like a cruise up that way is in order when we are closer to having a habitable boat. 😊

[BuckbyLocks 10]

Because Deimos and Vela were a pair used by Trainees during the war there are several mentions of the pair in both film and newspaper reports. The American journalist, Elsie Danenberg travelled on the pair and this was illustrated in the Birmingham Mail, Saturday May 27th 1944. There is also a video, entitled 3 Girls in a Boat from the Imperial War Museum, (although it may be hiding on You Tube by now.

[Rose Narrowboats 132]

10 minutes ago, BuckbyLocks said:

Because Deimos and Vela were a pair used by Trainees during the war there are several mentions of the pair in both film and newspaper reports. The American journalist, Elsie Danenberg travelled on the pair and this was illustrated in the Birmingham Mail, Saturday May 27th 1944. There is also a video, entitled 3 Girls in a Boat from the Imperial War Museum, (although it may be hiding on You Tube by now.

It's on BFI player. I own what's left of Deimos, better known these days as push tug "Slough" and still working for her living.

[Tim Lewis 413]

Minnow

[magnetman 469]

I didn't realise there was only one Josher running a pup. 

 

Nice boat. One for Mr Pinnock? 

 

Or does he have enough boats already. 

 

 

[billybobbooth 78]

Just now, magnetman said:

I didn't realise there was only one Josher running a pup. 

 

Nice boat. One for Mr Pinnock? 

 

Or does he have enough boats already. 

 

 

It's the only one in the water, Clent has a pup but it's not finished yet