frangar Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 This has just been issued.....about time too!! Detail From Date: 11/02/2021 16:00 To Date: On-going Type: Navigation Restriction Reason: Information Is the towpath closed? No Location Closest waterway: Oxford Canal Starts at: Bridge 93/94, Braunston Junction Ends at: Lock 7, Hillmorton Top Lock (Os) Description Managing the safe movement of wide beam boats on the North Oxford Canal The north Oxford Canal between Braunston Junction and Hillmorton Locks is a narrow canal, not suitable for wide-beam craft. The maximum craft dimensions for boats on the canal are: Length 21.96m (72ft) Beam 2.13m (7ft’) Draught 1.09m (3ft 7’’) Access to the marinas on the North Oxford is permitted but only at pre-agreed times and must be done in a single journey (i.e. not stopping between the marina and the destination) How to arrange movement of wide-beam craft on the north Oxford canal Boaters should notify enquiries.westmidlands@canalrivertrust.org.uknot less than two weeks ahead of the boat movement with the following information: - Boat index and name - Planned date and time of movement - Direction of movement - Contact number for the person who will be navigating the boat Planned wide-beam boat movements on the north Oxford will be published on the Trust’s notices and stoppages web page 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 I’ve just read that notice too. Not before time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 That will please the ones mooring there, well the ones who nip out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 minute ago, ditchcrawler said: That will please the ones mooring there, well the ones who nip out. They might have wanted to think about that before mooring on an unsuitable waterway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Vectis Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 Such as the GU north of Berko. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted February 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 I still think.a couple of posts, sunk into the canal bed about 7'6" apart, immediately after the junction with the puddle banks part would be more effective. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudds Lad Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) i know we’ve not cruised much since moving to Dunchurch, but i can’t say i’ve ever seen a widebeam moving on that stretch. not seen the ones in the marina move at all. i’m guessing two must have got stuck passing to warrant this missive from C&RT? Edited February 11, 2021 by Hudds Lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CV32 Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) I assume that CRT will stop renewing licences for fat boats on the North Oxford that declare home moorings there - eventually they might all take the hint and go elsewhere Edited February 11, 2021 by CV32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Hudds Lad said: i know we’ve not cruised much since moving to Dunchurch, but i can’t say i’ve ever seen a widebeam moving on that stretch. not seen the ones in the marina move at all. i’m guessing two must have got stuck passing to warrant this missive from C&RT? Theres a large grey one regularly goes up to the winding hole at Hillmorton, often moors at Willoughby (which is narrow when it's just narrowboats moored there!), another new fatty has just announced he is going to CC round Braunston to my knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 I don't get it plenty of space up north why do they want to struggle down there? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, peterboat said: I don't get it plenty of space up north why do they want to struggle down there? Exactly a wide boat on suitable waters 'cannot be beat'. Those anorexic boats don't 'arf look weird'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 3 hours ago, CV32 said: I assume that CRT will stop renewing licences for fat boats on the North Oxford that declare home moorings there - eventually they might all take the hint and go elsewhere Why do you assume that? They've not been barred from the N. Oxford, in fact they've been given a procedure to follow in order to use it. How to arrange movement of wide-beam craft on the north Oxford canal Boaters should notify enquiries.westmidlands@canalrivertrust.org.uknot less than two weeks ahead of the boat movement with the following information: - Boat index and name - Planned date and time of movement - Direction of movement - Contact number for the person who will be navigating the boat Creating a set of instructions on how to do something and then banning the same activity would be contradictory and deserving of maximum criticism by everyone. I am happy that what was needed has happened. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CV32 Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 CRT quote 'The north Oxford Canal between Braunston Junction and Hillmorton Locks is a narrow canal, not suitable for wide-beam craft.' Now CRT will incur more administrative load by asking for notification of movement (which we know the owners will likely ignore). It's not a fix, it's a large plaster stuck on to keep the rest of us happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Todd Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 11 hours ago, zenataomm said: Why do you assume that? They've not been barred from the N. Oxford, in fact they've been given a procedure to follow in order to use it. How to arrange movement of wide-beam craft on the north Oxford canal Boaters should notify enquiries.westmidlands@canalrivertrust.org.uknot less than two weeks ahead of the boat movement with the following information: - Boat index and name - Planned date and time of movement - Direction of movement - Contact number for the person who will be navigating the boat Creating a set of instructions on how to do something and then banning the same activity would be contradictory and deserving of maximum criticism by everyone. I am happy that what was needed has happened. It has possibly taken this long to get a plan because of the difficulty in coming up with something that the lawyers would endorse. I doubt whether CaRT would have wanted to provoke a court case that hinged on the notion of whether a particular boat is suitable for the navigation. As plenty have been keen to pursue in the past, rights to navigation are enshrined in laws that are difficult to change so it was necessary to find something that CaRT are allowed to do but which does not infringe on established rights. Seems to me that as the procedure at various nearby tunnels has not been challenged, it was the green light for using the same approach here. (Given the current ste of the courts it will probably take several years for a challenge case to come to a conclusion but which time it will just be 'custom and practice'!) Navigating without getting permission would be a bit tricky in that it takes a little while to get from one end to the other or from one marina to another and there will be plenty of volunteer 'enforcers' who will delight in calling CaRT Enforcement to report such a boat on the move. It will not be difficult for CaRT to catch the boat! What I did not see, however, is what penalty can be imposed for those who ignore the procedure. Presumably something similar to overstaying in that 'The Board' will decide that the boat(er) is not in compliance with the T&Cs and so can withdraw a licence and then enforce on the grounds of it being an unlicensed boat. In the case of the new marinas, the boat could not then hide there as the agreements between the marina and CaRT will require the boats to be licensed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Mike Todd said: What I did not see, however, is what penalty can be imposed for those who ignore the procedure. Presumably something similar to overstaying in that 'The Board' will decide that the boat(er) is not in compliance with the T&Cs and so can withdraw a licence and then enforce on the grounds of it being an unlicensed boat. In the case of the new marinas, the boat could not then hide there as the agreements between the marina and CaRT will require the boats to be licensed. What happens if a wide beam goes through Blisworth or Braunston without permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Todd Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 32 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: What happens if a wide beam goes through Blisworth or Braunston without permission. Depends on whether they meet a boat coming the other way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 32 minutes ago, Mike Todd said: Depends on whether they meet a boat coming the other way. My question was what action does C&RT take in such cases not an angry boater they meet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 Well it’s a breach of licence conditions. So restrict licence etc etc. My vote cut up for key rings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Todd Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, ditchcrawler said: My question was what action does C&RT take in such cases not an angry boater they meet What I was getting at was that when they meet another boat then their presence will hardly go unnoticed and it is very likely indeed that someo0ne at CaRT will be involved. What they then do about it is another matter . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 So, it is like I said 8 posts back (we don't seem to number posts anymore?) Having a procedure or instruction to follow means it is allowed. So CRT will not/should not refuse to renew a licence. The owners refusal to comply is a totally different issue and should most certainly result in a prop clamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bob W Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 I am sure I have seen at least one widebeam moored at Welton Haven marina. Now CRT have set a precedent with Braunston-Hillmorton, they really should do the same for the Leicester Line, Norton Junction - Watford Locks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 A re think on C&RTs part Notice Update: 16th February 21 Navigation: Open, Towpath: Open Oxford CanalLocation: Movement of wide-beam boats between Braunston Junction and Hillmorton Locks on the North Oxford CanalStarts At: Bridge 93/94, Braunston JunctionEnds At: Lock 7, Hillmorton Top Lock (Os) Update on 16/02/2021: Please refer to https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notices/19191-movement-of-wide-beam-boats-between-braunston-junction-and-hillmorton-locks-on-the-north-oxford-canal for the latest information. Original message: Managing the safe movement of wide beam boats on the North Oxford Canal The north Oxford Canal between Braunston Junction and Hillmorton Locks is a narrow canal, not suitable for wide-beam craft. The maximum craft dimensions for boats on the canal are: Length 21.96m (72ft) Beam 2.13m (7ft’) Draught 1.09m (3ft 7’’) Access to the marinas on the North Oxford is permitted but only at pre-agreed times and must be done in a single journey (i.e. not stopping between the marina and the destination) How to arrange movement of wide-beam craft on the north Oxford canal Boaters should notify enquiries.westmidlands@canalrivertrust.org.uk one week* ahead of the boat movement with the following information: - Boat index and name - Planned date and time of movement - Direction of movement - Contact number for the person who will be navigating the boat Planned wide-beam boat movements on the north Oxford will be published on the Trust’s notices and stoppages web page *If you need to move your boat urgently and are unable to give a week’s notice, please email the West Midlands team as soon as possible so that they can make others aware of wide-beam craft movement on the north Oxford canal You can find all notices at the url below:https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notices Please do not reply to the email. It has been automatically generated. To unsubscribe from this service please go to: https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/my-trust/notices and uncheck the relevant box. This email was sent to me unsubscribe from this list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 So first notice said two weeks notice required, second changed it to one week. This latest one says if your busy just call us . Good clear communications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, Tuscan said: So first notice said two weeks notice required, second changed it to one week. This latest one says if your busy just call us . Good clear communications. Ive made my feelings known to CRT about the changes...I think some widebeam owners bitched....its a shame that CRT gave in quite so easily....gives out the wrong message entirely in my opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, frangar said: .its a shame that CRT gave in quite so easily.....gives out the wrong message entirely in my opinion. Will they do the same about putting poop-in-the-bin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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