robtheplod Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 Had our first break on the boat in colder climate and I was surprised by the amount of condensation on the windows. Led me thinking that boat windows generally are poor fitting and single pane, with little thought for security. Are there boats out there with double glazed panes with secure fixings or is this not really what occurs on boats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilllearning Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 There’s a thread about double glazing running at the moment. To find it use the search function, or scroll down till you come across it. You may be having problems because your boat is only used intermittently, as it’s a share boat, so always has some cold damping air inside the boat. When I lived on board, which was for over 15years, the only times there was condensation was after a long shower, and then only in the bathroom, or after lots of cooking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, robtheplod said: Are there boats out there with double glazed panes Yes - Lots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 58 minutes ago, robtheplod said: Had our first break on the boat in colder climate and I was surprised by the amount of condensation on the windows. Led me thinking that boat windows generally are poor fitting and single pane, with little thought for security. Are there boats out there with double glazed panes with secure fixings or is this not really what occurs on boats? Keep the stove on and stop breathing is good for combating condensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, robtheplod said: Had our first break on the boat in colder climate and I was surprised by the amount of condensation on the windows. Led me thinking that boat windows generally are poor fitting and single pane, with little thought for security. Are there boats out there with double glazed panes with secure fixings or is this not really what occurs on boats? I have double glazing on this boat. We get zero condesation on the glass but plenty on the alloy frames. They are very substantial units and would take some smashing in but being a boat there is always a way in. The best thing is to live aboard and have a big dog provided the dog doesnt pant a lot and make condensation ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 Or open a window. Heating and ventilation may seem inefficient but adds comfort. I would imagine double glazing only pays back if you live aboard. I use a dehumidifier but mains electricity is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 1 hour ago, robtheplod said: Had our first break on the boat in colder climate and I was surprised by the amount of condensation on the windows. Led me thinking that boat windows generally are poor fitting and single pane, with little thought for security. Are there boats out there with double glazed panes with secure fixings or is this not really what occurs on boats? Use the stove to heat the boat, rather the diesel boiler and rads. This way the stove dries out the air and any dampness in the boat, and it also pulls in fresh air from outside via the low level vents, which provides ventilation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 Hot air meets cold air. Condensation is caused. Ventilation really really helps. Open windows at bed time. Nice and snug under the duvet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 We get condensation for the first 24 hrs on board when everything is cold, but as the boat warms through it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 We very seldom have condensation on our windows probably because we seldom have all the windows closed. We sometimes close those on the windward side but the norm is for all windows to be open even when we leave the boat in winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 We have all of our windows and hatches cracked open when we are on the boat and never get any condensation. It is never cold either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detling Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 As above ventilation and leave boat ventilated when going home. We had a survey once done in December and I couldn't be there, the surveyor very kindly closed all the windows and mushrooms when he left, we returned 6 days later and everything was soaking wet inside due to condensation, opened all windows and vents, stoked up fire it took two days to dry out. We normally leave most windows open and all the vents, and return after a few weeks break to find it cold and slightly damp, fire on and we are dry in under 12 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.i Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 Propane and butane also produce a stupid amount of water. So if you have a gas appliance, such as a cooker or heater, that will produce condensation. The key, as said, is ventilation and warmth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, pete.i said: Propane and butane also produce a stupid amount of water. 1 litre of water vapour per 1 litre of gas. Divide the heat rating by the heat of combustion of propane, (available at http://www.seered.co.uk/folk95a.htm), to give the number of moles of propane consumed per unit of time. 4 moles of water are produced from each mole of propane burnt, so multiplying by 4 gives the number of moles of water produced per unit of time. Then, either: multiply by 18gm/mol to achieve the mass flow rate, or multiply by 22.4 litres per mole at 25degC to give a volumetric flow rate at that temperature, then correct the volumetric flow to allow for the actual temperature of the combustion product gases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 When does it get misty inside the cabin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 minute ago, LadyG said: When does it get misty inside the cabin? When ya left the shower door open? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Robbo said: When ya left the shower door open? 10 hours ago, LadyG said: When does it get misty inside the cabin? My days of steaming up windows are long over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark99 Posted November 18, 2018 Report Share Posted November 18, 2018 On 17/11/2018 at 19:46, ditchcrawler said: My days of steaming up windows are long over B side to the Tina Turner hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted November 18, 2018 Report Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 hour ago, mark99 said: B side to the Tina Turner hit. Now there is a lady who could well help me at least get a bit breathless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 On 17/11/2018 at 09:30, LadyG said: When does it get misty inside the cabin? Our cat is called Misty, so quite often. 3am when it is snowing is a particularly favourite time, as she wants to get in the bed with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boater Sam Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 The 3 way Electrolux fridges running on gas steam up the windows really well when the exhaust is missing and venting into the boat, a warning sign if you have one of these. When you get old and stop breathing there will be much less condensation to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) We had condensation problems when we first lived on board full time, in winter. We took several steps to improve things: 1. Double glazing of windows with perspex inside using magnetic tape so can be removed in summer. Big improvement. 2. Fan in roof vent above cooker. High revving computer fan has made a huge difference to condensation in cabin. also stops smoke alarm going off when making toast. 3. Bathroom is self contained from rest of cabin so terrible condensation following showers. Another computer fan in bulkhead shifts some air and blows heat into bathroom. Further fan in roof vent removes damp air. Extremely effective and one of best modifications on boat for years. 4. When my wife bought a Karcher window vac I laughed at her. It is however one of the best bits of kit on the boat and can vac water off bathroom tiles, window and shower curtains in a minute. I have to humbly apologise to my lovely wife daily, but it is excellent. ps forgot, those large plastic containers with dehumidifying crystals are good. From hardware shops etc. Sorry for brevity. Edited November 19, 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 When I first saw there was a topic concerning window condensation I just knew it would run and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 On 16/11/2018 at 18:50, Naughty Cal said: We have all of our windows and hatches cracked open when we are on the boat and never get any condensation. It is never cold either. your boat is currently moored in Grand Canaria, right? ................ condensation in an unoccupied boat is almost inevitable unless you have plenty of ventilation - same as in a car parked outside in the colder months. Use the car, introducing warm air at a typical humidity of perhaps 50% on a relatively warm afternoon, then allow the air to cool overnight by perhaps 15C bringing the temperature below the dew point - the moisture in the air will begin to condense, first on the cold windows - and then everywhere else if you do not ventilate, so everything on the boat will go mouldy. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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