Bewildered Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) As I passed the little swing bridge at Rose Narrowboats on the North Oxford Canal one of the guys who works there said to me, "be aware there are two fibreglass boats heading this way, one towing the other, they have just beaten up a lock keeper at Hillmorton and C&RT would like to know where they are". I can only assume that C&RT have called places ahead of the incident to ask them to keep a look out. If any members spot these boats please let C&RT know Edited October 26, 2017 by Bewildered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Vectis Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Could one of the GRP boats be the one featured in the 'Hit and run' thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Not everyone is satisfied with the service provided by volockies, but that sounds unnecessary and indeed extreme, and this incident should be investigated by CART and by the police - if it's true (we have only one view of the story at the moment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicknorman Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 33 minutes ago, Athy said: Not everyone is satisfied with the service provided by volockies, but that sounds unnecessary and indeed extreme, and this incident should be investigated by CART and by the police - if it's true (we have only one view of the story at the moment). No, only by the police! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frahkn Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 38 minutes ago, Victor Vectis said: Could one of the GRP boats be the one featured in the 'Hit and run' thread? I don't think so. The red cruiser in the photographs passed me in Polesworth yesterday lunchtime. It was heading towards Alvecote and was reported (on here) to be heading towards Glascote later yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalboat Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) I saw these two white f/glass boats pass through the locks early afternoon and then police arrived very quickly, apparently because the young men on these boats were arrested recently for theft of an outboard but were let out to continue their version of life on the canal. Last seen going at full speed past Clifton Cruisers but that was a while ago now. CRT seem powerless or unwilling to stop criminals using their canal. Edited October 26, 2017 by canalboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, canalboat said: CRT seem powerless or unwilling to stop criminals using their canal. More than a little unfair there I think. Have these white plastic boaters been found guilty in a court of law of anything? If so, what? And even if they have, what right do CRT have to stop them using their boats on the canal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Mike the Boilerman said: More than a little unfair there I think. Have these white plastic boaters been found guilty in a court of law of anything? If so, what? And even if they have, what right do CRT have to stop them using their boats on the canal? Probably as much as a county council has to stop a pick pocket using the roads, which as far as I know is nil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalboat Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 27 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: More than a little unfair there I think. Have these white plastic boaters been found guilty in a court of law of anything? If so, what? And even if they have, what right do CRT have to stop them using their boats on the canal? Perhaps Mr MTB as unfair as you referring to them as "white plastic boaters". I was merely sharing my observation to clarify the original post. But you're probably quite right - let em all proceed unhindered to steal, assault and terrify as they wish - if that is want your canal to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MtB Posted October 26, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 minute ago, canalboat said: But you're probably quite right - let em all proceed unhindered to steal, assault and terrify as they wish - if that is want your canal to be. Now you're just being plain silly. It is the job of the police to keep law and order, not CRT. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 10 minutes ago, canalboat said: Perhaps Mr MTB as unfair as you referring to them as "white plastic boaters". I was merely sharing my observation to clarify the original post. But you're probably quite right - let em all proceed unhindered to steal, assault and terrify as they wish - if that is want your canal to be. You probably might not get your licence renewed if you keep beating up CRT staff, but in general, being law abiding isn't a noted characteristic of boaters, and never has been. Sometimes I've even caught a whiff of hash as I've walked past a boat, and some people stay longer than 14 days in one spot! Flogging's too good for 'em, I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark99 Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 This is 100% police matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Schweizer Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, mark99 said: This is 100% police matter. Not entirely. It may be the responsibility of the Police to aprehend and question the acused boaters, but C&RT, as the lock keeper's employers, albeit unremunerated, have a resposibility for the welfare of therir staff and it would be reasonable for them to assist the Police. If it is deemed appropriate that could result in a "Citizen's Arrest being made. Edited October 26, 2017 by David Schweizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Anyway! I expect you all would like to hear that after the police got the details of the crime and rushed off with blue lights flashing and sirens a blazing, in the pursuit of the rather rough looking characters , the lockie continued his work, and indeed worked to well after his finishing time, helping us down the Hillmorton Flight and didn't seem fazed by his altercation! Well done that man! Nipper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Narrowboats Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) As I understand it is a police matter. I was asked to contact CRT's enforcement officer if I spotted them - presumably as my past experience that police won't search for a boat isn't unusual. Edited October 26, 2017 by Rose Narrowboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, David Schweizer said: Not entirely. It may be the responsibility of the Police to aprehend and question the acused boaters, but C&ART, as the lock keeper's employers, albeit unremunerated, have a resposibility for the welfare of therir staff and it would be reasonable for them to assist the Police. If it is deemed appropriate that could result in a "Citizen's Arrest being made. Given the suspects have already used violence I agree with Mark 99 it is a police matter. CRT are not paid or trained to apprehend possibly violent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, nipper said: I expect you all would like to hear that after the police got the details of the crime and rushed off with blue lights flashing and sirens a blazing, in the pursuit of the rather rough looking characters 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Maddock Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 I would agree that this matter can and should be dealt with by police. Their role is to investigate, report and then deal with that outcome. Arrest of subjects is only a way of having a controlled conversation where rights are protected and facts are established. Lets hope that the subjects (if guilty) upon arrest see the errors of their ways. l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Bewildered said: As I passed the little swing bridge at Rose Narrowboats on the North Oxford Canal one of the guys who works there said to me, "be aware there are two fibreglass boats heading this way, one towing the other, they have just beaten up a lock keeper at Hillmorton and C&RT would like to know where they are". I can only assume that C&RT have called places ahead of the incident to ask them to keep a look out. If any members spot these boats please let C&RT know I don't understand why Rose boats didn't just chain up the swing bridge and call the police when the villains arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Flyboy said: I don't understand why Rose boats didn't just chain up the swing bridge and call the police when the villains arrived. Because it's half term and most of the hire companies have most boats out in this area, and lots of private boats too. They would be out every 10 minutes unlocking it, and what happens if said idiots arrive and come into shop threatening or assaulting again? ? Do we have boat names or more accurate descriptions, as there are more and more plastic boats around nowadays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john6767 Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 We are on the Ashby and will be heading south soon. Do we actually know what they have done though, if they had really beaten up a lock keeper, or anybody, wouldn't the police have already got them in custody, they can't exactly get far on the North Oxford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 54 minutes ago, matty40s said: Because it's half term and most of the hire companies have most boats out in this area, and lots of private boats too. They would be out every 10 minutes unlocking it, and what happens if said idiots arrive and come into shop threatening or assaulting again? ? Do we have boat names or more accurate descriptions, as there are more and more plastic boats around nowadays. There can't many plastic boats on the N. Oxford towing another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, David Schweizer said: Not entirely. It may be the responsibility of the Police to aprehend and question the acused boaters, but C&RT, as the lock keeper's employers, albeit unremunerated, have a resposibility for the welfare of therir staff and it would be reasonable for them to assist the Police. If it is deemed appropriate that could result in a "Citizen's Arrest being made. David I think you will find in reality that the kind of people who assault lockeepers or for that matter assault anyone are not the kind of people who take kindly to a " Citizens arrest " and the said citizen is quite likely to suffer the same fate. 12 minutes ago, john6767 said: they can't exactly get far on the North Oxford. Ripon? Bristol? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john6767 Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 13 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: David I think you will find in reality that the kind of people who assault lockeepers or for that matter assault anyone are not the kind of people who take kindly to a " Citizens arrest " and the said citizen is quite likely to suffer the same fate. Ripon? Bristol? Yea yea, but in the timescales not far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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