David Mack Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Not really historic as a 1979 build, but nevertheless more authentic than some older ex-working butties. I seem to remember a photo in Waterways World some years ago of Phoebe at Horseshoe Falls on the Llangollen, the unloaded and unballasted boat having shallow enough draft to get over the gravel bar above Llangollen Basin that stops the rest of us doing the feeder section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Nice for electric conversion with a pod in the elum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddyboater Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, magnetman said: Thats a nice boat. Would be good to see a picture of inside the hold. Presumablyit is thin due to internal corrosion. Wear on the outside I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 Is this the boat that was moored at Norbury on the offside about 7/8 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 17 hours ago, noddyboater said: Butty "Phoebe" for sale. 69', Steel hull, timber fore and back cabins, back cabin fully fitted. Built in 1979 by Nigel Jackson, used for maintenance work on the Macclesfield. Requires work to chine areas, priced accordingly at 6k. is this advertised somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddyboater Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 hours ago, spud said: is this advertised somewhere Not as yet, but quick sale needed. P.m. me if interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagedamager Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 Carina for sale. Screenshot from Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-M Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 Would be wise to check the width of Carina, I believe it took quite a bit of pulling with Nansen II last time it came up the Delph to force it through the locks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted December 21, 2022 Report Share Posted December 21, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 otley still for sale https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/malcolm-braine-55-traditional-for-sale/694166 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeby100 Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 34 minutes ago, spud said: otley still for sale https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/malcolm-braine-55-traditional-for-sale/694166 What a lovely boat for that money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 54 minutes ago, spud said: otley still for sale https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/malcolm-braine-55-traditional-for-sale/694166 Listing says SOLD now, 55 minutes later! Hardly a historic though is it, being built in 1971? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted December 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 hour ago, spud said: otley still for sale https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/malcolm-braine-55-traditional-for-sale/694166 1 hour ago, Feeby100 said: What a lovely boat for that money 47 minutes ago, MtB said: Listing says SOLD now, 55 minutes later! Hardly a historic though is it, being built in 1971? Yes, quite - it#s a "modern" boat. Except it almost certainly still has a wood based superstructure, so probably no great bargain after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeby100 Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 But it does not say wooden says all steel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Feeby100 said: But it does not say wooden says all steel Looks like mostly windows to me! 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 52 minutes ago, alan_fincher said: Except it almost certainly still has a wood based superstructure, so probably no great bargain after all. That certainly looks like a cabin made of wooden planking on wooden frames, which was Malcolm Braine's usual method when this boat was built. The planking would have been clad on the outside with masonite - basically a thick outdoor grade of hardboard, with aluminium d-section capping over the joints. But the ad says the boat has wood lined steel front doors, and that it underwent a full modification, 240v upgrade, partial refit and full professional repaint 9 years ago. So my guess is that as part of that work the masonite was stripped off and the wooden cabin was clad in welded steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 JAPONICA had that treatment, steel cladding over a wooden cabin. The internal tongue and groove cabin sides in OTLEY do appear to have quite a lot of dark staining along the joints. This could be caused by water condensing onto the inside of a steel cladding, and soaking into the wooden panelling. The roof (deckhead for the nautical of mind) is painted white. I do wonder what may be hidden beneath the paint. Is this reflected in the asking price? Only a visit and/or survey will tell. Someone likes it - Sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Unusual Yarwoods. Says it was a station boat called Clyde 70ft Yarwoods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 08/12/2022 at 17:51, ditchcrawler said: An interesting boat, perhaps over[riced, but in the current market, who knows? Isn't Parsons a make of gearbox rather than of engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagedamager Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 53 minutes ago, Athy said: An interesting boat, perhaps over[riced, but in the current market, who knows? Isn't Parsons a make of gearbox rather than of engine? Parsons took base engines from other manufacturers and marinised them. In this case the Armstrong Siddeley AS2, which they marinised under the Parsons Merganser name. Most fully marinised AS engines will have the Parsons plate on, i think it's an AS2M stamp on it. Many others have taken industrial AS2s and marinised them but subtle differences make them stand out. They also used AS1 (Goosander) AS3 (Peregrine) and a Ford (Pike?) They also produced petrol paraffin models, the D4M I believe. Kind regards Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, stagedamager said: Parsons took base engines from other manufacturers and marinised them. In this case the Armstrong Siddeley AS2, which they marinised under the Parsons Merganser name. Most fully marinised AS engines will have the Parsons plate on, i think it's an AS2M stamp on it. Many others have taken industrial AS2s and marinised them but subtle differences make them stand out. They also used AS1 (Goosander) AS3 (Peregrine) and a Ford (Pike?) They also produced petrol paraffin models, the D4M I believe. Kind regards Dan Excellent info. .Did they also make gearboxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Athy said: Excellent info. .Did they also make gearboxes? Yep. parsons gearbox - Search Images (bing.com) Edited January 21, 2023 by Ray T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Admiral said: Unusual Yarwoods. Says it was a station boat called Clyde 70ft Yarwoods I think the weird cabin shape might put people off. The FR4 is a nice looking engine, but too big really. It retains its butty stern and rudder with hydraulic drive, but appears to be a conventional stern tube arrangement with anti cavitation plates rather than the hydraulic motor being mounted in the rudder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, David Mack said: I think the weird cabin shape might put people off. The FR4 is a nice looking engine, but too big really. It retains its butty stern and rudder with hydraulic drive, but appears to be a conventional stern tube arrangement with anti cavitation plates rather than the hydraulic motor being mounted in the rudder. I find it a rather charming boat, with that weird semi-clerestory cabin roof. I'd be tempted buy it but for that over-ambitious asking price of £58k. Get real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, MtB said: I find it a rather charming boat, with that weird semi-clerestory cabin roof. I'd be tempted buy it but for that over-ambitious asking price of £58k. Get real! They could have decluttered for the photos.Also done something about the rust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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