RLWP Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Derek R. said: And there was I thinking it was all about pride in appearance and practice - whatever the boat! ? We go more for practice than appearance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-M Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 11 hours ago, RLWP said: She's about to get quite a lot of attention, which is why she's moored where she is Richard I hope she isn't going to lose her working boat colour scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rob-M said: I hope she isn't going to lose her working boat colour scheme. Tawny will still have a working boat colour scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 11 hours ago, Derek R. said: And there was I thinking it was all about pride in appearance and practice - whatever the boat! ? Yes, you are correct but a Grand Union is clearly a boat to be proud of whereas an antiquated Josher requires a lot of effort to make it more than a 'sows ear', and boating practice (and all that this encompasses) is more of a way of life and should appear to be almost effortless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, pete harrison said: Yes, you are correct but a Grand Union is clearly a boat to be proud of whereas an antiquated Josher requires a lot of effort to make it more than a 'sows ear', and boating practice (and all that this encompasses) is more of a way of life and should appear to be almost effortless We have a lot of practice this year and I look forward the resulting paint replacement next year. Crt believe maintance should be done by boats slightly over the normal size wearing down the overhanging branches broken coping and crap filled canals for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 3 hours ago, pete harrison said: Yes, you are correct but a Grand Union is clearly a boat to be proud of whereas an antiquated Josher requires a lot of effort to make it more than a 'sows ear', and boating practice (and all that this encompasses) is more of a way of life and should appear to be almost effortless I will not claim any boat is a sows ear, as with anything, paint and maintenance will make good any craft. But what might be relevant is how a boat handles - and is handled, and as we know, load, depth of water and skill all play their part. As to 'bling', that is down to individuals, and with regard to families, how much they adorn their boats is their business - like scrubbing the front step in a terraced street, polishing the door knocker, and some fine lace at the window. That's just pride in appearance which some might translate as 'one-upmanship', but not I. Making things seem effortless, that is all down to experience and technique. I've lost count of the times Louise & I have caught up with mob handed rope throwers (much to their chagrin), waiting quietly while they yelled at each other across a lock. Our way was quiet, with an occasional nod when going through single in a double lock as to which side we'd leave (most of the time, and usually towpath). Knowledge, experience and good practice - though we were never engaged in commercial traffic, we just sought to emulate best practice as shown and advised by some former working boatmen. I'm sure there are many sows who think their ears are perfect. (Assuming they do and can 'think'). ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Derek R. said: I will not claim any boat is a sows ear, as with anything, paint and maintenance will make good any craft. But what might be relevant is how a boat handles - and is handled, and as we know, load, depth of water and skill all play their part. As to 'bling', that is down to individuals, and with regard to families, how much they adorn their boats is their business - like scrubbing the front step in a terraced street, polishing the door knocker, and some fine lace at the window. That's just pride in appearance which some might translate as 'one-upmanship', but not I. Making things seem effortless, that is all down to experience and technique. I've lost count of the times Louise & I have caught up with mob handed rope throwers (much to their chagrin), waiting quietly while they yelled at each other across a lock. Our way was quiet, with an occasional nod when going through single in a double lock as to which side we'd leave (most of the time, and usually towpath). Knowledge, experience and good practice - though we were never engaged in commercial traffic, we just sought to emulate best practice as shown and advised by some former working boatmen. I'm sure there are many sows who think their ears are perfect. (Assuming they do and can 'think'). ? Don't take all this too seriously Derek as it is just friendly banter between me and another Forumite that started earlier this year - and long may it continue (he has a Josher and I have a Grand Union). If Forumites find this inappropriate I will drop it and offer my apologies 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark99 Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 Nah keep it up. Good banter. The first boat that arrested my attention was Cantley. Then moved onto skinny 'rsed Joshers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Vectis Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 16 hours ago, matty40s said: Tawny will still have a working boat colour scheme. Given the title of this section of the forum, does 'TO' now qualify as 'historic'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X Alan W Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 6 hours ago, pete harrison said: Yes, you are correct but a Grand Union is clearly a boat to be proud of whereas an antiquated Josher requires a lot of effort to make it more than a 'sows ear', and boating practice (and all that this encompasses) is more of a way of life and should appear to be almost effortless Strange that most of those old "Pigs Ear" Josher's had more than paid for themselves many times over before any of those metal GU lumps had been bashed into shape & at the demise of carrying were still going as strong Still it takes all sorts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X Alan W Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 58 minutes ago, pete harrison said: Don't take all this too seriously Derek as it is just friendly banter between me and another Forumite that started earlier this year - and long may it continue (he has a Josher and I have a Grand Union). If Forumites find this inappropriate I will drop it and offer my apologies Please don't give up on the banter ,a bit of light relief between folk who've been there done that & got the T shirt, helps to spread light relief it"s "Bull**it from folk with no idea lording to the beginners that I have no time for a bit of s**t stirring from someone with knowledge brightens one's day.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 Carry on - just ignore me. Something to do with being a Virgo . . . ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X Alan W Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, Derek R. said: Carry on - just ignore me. Something to do with being a Virgo . . . ! You put forth your pennyworth It's very welcome the Town /Josher spat is to keep folks mind off Pump Out V Cassette ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 Heavy arsed buggers, Joshers.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, dave moore said: Heavy arsed buggers, Joshers.....? Well that's one thing you have in common with Hitler! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Ryan Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 Heavy arsed buggers, Joshers..... My thoughts entirely Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahavfc Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 You want one of the nice late Yarwoods Boats with forged skegs and balanced rudders. Light as a feather and the elegance of a Josher. Perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 So a josher with a pumpout is the pits but a grand union with a bucket is sublime. Ill remember that sat in the unlined engine room on the loo with condensation falling on my head. Of course if im really pure i walk down the ice encrusted gunnel to get to the loo coz theres a bloody freezing cold bulkhead in the way.. luxury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittie Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 A g'sunder in the cabin is the answer! + it works in both a heavy arsed Josher and a Grand Union t'boot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 47 minutes ago, fittie said: A g'sunder in the cabin is the answer! + it works in both a heavy arsed Josher and a Grand Union t'boot! In the summer at the Braunston gathering we had a back cabin guest who didn't feel confident to climb out and then into the engine room if she needed the loo in the night. I was surprised to find that with the cross bed down a Porta Potti 365 can just be tucked away under the bed, (with almost no margin on the height), and can be drawn out from under for use if required. Nothing is too good fr our guests! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWM Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 There was a miniature porta potti in one of the small cupboards under the side bed, immediately next to the cross bed when we first bought Hawkesbury. It was accessed by lifting the top hatch up and designed to be used in situ, I thought it was pretty hideous even though it was convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 23 hours ago, BWM said: There was a miniature porta potti in one of the small cupboards under the side bed, immediately next to the cross bed when we first bought Hawkesbury. It was accessed by lifting the top hatch up and designed to be used in situ, I thought it was pretty hideous even though it was convenient. I suspect the canal boat registration would fail that even if the current test allows it! I suspect in some respects the victorians were more sanitation concious than some current boat persons i have seen. The full elsan collection on the roof is certainly a backwards step. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 hours ago, roland elsdon said: I suspect the canal boat registration would fail that even if the current test allows it! I suspect in some respects the victorians were more sanitation concious than some current boat persons i have seen. The full elsan collection on the roof is certainly a backwards step. I too find it surprisingly shocking to see the occasional boat with a stock of cassettes littering the roof. They must all be full or the wind would have blown them off. (For want of a better term.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 On 20/10/2018 at 07:20, pete harrison said: Yes, you are correct but a Grand Union is clearly a boat to be proud of whereas an antiquated Josher requires a lot of effort to make it more than a 'sows ear', and boating practice (and all that this encompasses) is more of a way of life and should appear to be almost effortless takes no effort with a josher you just need a one off, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 On 21/10/2018 at 18:43, roland elsdon said: So a josher with a pumpout is the pits but a grand union with a bucket is sublime. Ill remember that sat in the unlined engine room on the loo with condensation falling on my head. Of course if im really pure i walk down the ice encrusted gunnel to get to the loo coz theres a bloody freezing cold bulkhead in the way.. luxury its ok to go out side to get into the engine room its when there is no light and you fall over the soddin engine thats always been there that the bit that always gets me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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