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pete harrison

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  1. I really ought to stop getting involved in threads that I do not know enough about, and clearly this is another one of those. I am struggling enough with the stuff I am supposed to know about at present
  2. You are quite right in that BANSTEAD is currently fitted with an air cooled Petter PJ3, so along with the water cooled version in TADWORTH makes a total of two in Grand Union motors - and I think there is one in a Grand Union butty but I can not remember which one. I am not sure what you mean when you write "I'd ideally like to fit a raw water cooled heat exchanger to cool the coolant". In my experience when using raw water for cooling there is no heat exchanger, just a mud box and a pump. I would be inclined to repair and improve the pipe running around the outside of the swim as in a closed cooling system anti-freeze can be added to reduce the danger of frost damage whilst reducing internal corrosion, and eliminates the need to drain the engine during cold spells. This is what I have on my boat as shown in this image, along with two pipes on the other side: My engine has a heat exchanger on the exhaust manifold (Bowman ?) but I do not fully understand the purpose of this, and also a heat exchanger to cool the gearbox oil which I do understand
  3. I do not think any 'concrete evidence' will be found regarding the terms relating to these boats. I have always known the Yarwood built L.M.S.R. boats as 'Station Boats' regardless of whether they are open or those operated as family boats by either the L.M.S.R., 'British Waterways' or Willow Wren. I associate the term 'Railway Boat' with those operated by the G.W.R. and Thomas Bantock. I do not know where these terms have come from or whether they are correct, and I am sure others will have different interpretations or memories edit = I can't help thinking that the compartmenting of boats into classes or groups is more driven by enthusiasts than their operators during working times, although there are one or two exceptions. I have little doubt that a boatman would not care what sort of day boat he was responsible for, only where it was starting from and going to. edit = Tom Foxon makes frequent references to 'Station Boats' in his book Following The Trade, and these he describes as "Yarwood built" and "none of the station boats had cabins". Tom Foxon was a working boatman at the time (1956) and was assisting with the trade that involved these boats between the midlands and Worcester.
  4. Having had a quick look through the Byelaws I have found the following: Vessels to have fenders ready for use 6. Every vessel navigated on any canal shall have ready for immediate use proper fenders of suitable material and in good condition and the master of such vessel shall use such fenders whenever there is a risk of the vessel striking against any other vessel or against any wall, lockgate, bridge or other thing. These Byelaws make for much more interesting reading than I was expecting, though I suspect they are rarely enforced
  5. I have found the Byelaws online and will be interested to see what they say, when I have nothing better to do as it is a 33 page PDF document
  6. Two people have told me that now. Oh dear I am wrong again, but as you say they are in the Bye-Laws so it makes little difference - but a stem fender is still dangerous in my opinion
  7. Nope, I have never read the requirements of the Boat Safety Certificate. The last time I was present with an inspector was about 1981 (Multi-User Hire and Reward licence) and he checked the fenders. Perhaps as somebody else has said it is in the Bye-Laws, which I also have never read as I have more interesting things to do
  8. Fenders are a requirement of the Boat Safety Certificate, but whether that makes them a legal requirement I do not know. What is clear from other threads on this Forum is that stem fenders get caught going uphill and downhill in locks and cause hang ups and sinkings, which suggests to me that they are dangerous. Due to the height of the fore end stem fenders on empty working boats (even some converted boats) are liable to get caught under balance beams and handrails when going uphill, which is why it is not uncommon to see these boats having a stem fender but laying on the fore deck - and yes I do know all about having a split link or string link to prevent these incidents, but I have lifted a lock gate off its pintall and it happens remarkably quickly and easily
  9. Licence and mooring charges are fairly insignificant when compared to ongoing maintenance costs of these boats, especially as less sympathetic owners have a habit of not doing things properly which a later owner has the pleasure and cost of sorting out (this includes bodges carried out by the big carrying concerns when in trade)
  10. I can not see why the ram on TYCHO would present any more of a problem in a lock than the fore end any other narrow boat, especially when compared to those that deploy the most dangerous of attachments - a stem fender. The best boats to encourage approaching boaters to concede to a bridge hole are empty Grand Unions, especially those of the larger variety - but there is not that much between large and small
  11. It is a lot less impractical than a full length unconverted boat where the owner pays maximum licence and mooring fees but has very little accommodation. I can't really see what difference the ram makes regarding practicality
  12. I have known TYCHO for about 50 years. and the reason it has always stuck in my mind is because of the ram - but I love it. As has been discussed in this thread before I was keen to buy TYCHO when it was for sale in mid 2016, but we were unable to agree on a value. If TYCHO did not have its ram it would not have interested me at all as there is a choice of cut down Grand Union motors to choose from, including three other middle Northwich motors. Obviously 'the eye of the beholder' is a varied thing, but I can understand that the industrial appearance of TYCHO will not appeal to everybody
  13. TYCHO back on Apollo Duck - now @ £33000 https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/yarwoods-45-tug/473783
  14. Although not clearly visible, and only there for about 1 frame is part of the number that is before the 8. In my opinion this is neither a 1 (518 for SOUTHERN CROSS) or a 0 (508 for PHOBOS). This only leaves 488 for CEPHEUS and 558 for ARCAS. Looking at other information regarding these Small Woolwich motors with the last number of their health registration being 8 then SOUTHERN CROSS started operating as a passenger trip boat in 1958, so would have been under conversion or already in service when this film was dated. PHOBOS was an active carrying boat during the three fleet lists I quoted earlier in this thread so it is highly unlikely to have been temporarily withdrawn and subjected to abuse, CEPHEUS was a maintenance boat in 1958, and had been since its sale to the Grand Union Canal Company in November 1945, so is extremely unlikely to have retained running gear and cloths with a decent cratch. So this leaves ARCAS, and as stated earlier I am 99% certain that this is the boat in the film, especially as it was out of service as a 'spare boat' - but doing things by elimination is not best practice and is my least preferred way of identifying boats
  15. Sorry if I did not make myself clear in the post above. ARCAS was still in the 'British Waterways' south eastern carrying fleet in 1958, but period documentation for 1958 suggests it was not in use and listed as a spare boat. This would make it an ideal candidate for filming and 'slap' painting. It would appear that ARCAS remained out of use until it was docked in 1960, following which it was recorded passing through Braunston on 19 October 1960 with Grantham (Bob Grantham ?) as steerer and he had it for the remainder of 1960
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