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pete harrison

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    "Northwich Trader"

    The second boat (the cheaper one) is not what I recognise as a 'Northwich Trader', more a traditional styled boat built by R.W. Davis. Personally I would rather buy an original Northwich built boat than a reproduction loosely based on an original - but I would say that as I did. I would not make a purchasing decision based upon paint colour as it can easily be changed, and will possibly need refurbishing anyway
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    Would you buy an overplated boat?

    You can get insurance with a metal thickness less than 6mm (I thought it was 4mm but different insurance companies will undoubtedly have different requirements). An insurance company usually has a metal thickness combined with age of the boat, and do not usually ask for a metal thickness survey until at least 20 years old. Third Party insurance is available for every boat regardless of age, metal thickness or whether it has had a survey or not. I have no engineering background but I dislike overplating. My 82 year old boat was rebottomed in 2003 by cutting out the old and welding in new steel, which is quite expensive. To do this properly the interior fittings will need removing, hence overplating being popular based on its lower cost if nothing else. There are a number of boatyards that now do extensive hull overplating and obviously they will say this practice in O.K., but it definitely need to be high quality work. Due to its age my boat has some overplating but this will be removed and the hull replated during my ownership
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    Pre-Purchase Surveys for Buyers - what's the procedure?

    My opinions - and others may / will think differently: 1 - I would think the buyer would arrange the survey as this is a business arrangement between you and the surveyor. 2 - the survey is a business arrangement between you and the surveyor so the buyer will pay directly. 3 - this will need to be agreed between the seller and potential buyer. 4 - everything is always open to negotiation, but the seller may not agree with all negative aspects found by your surveyor. 5 - every boat is for sale until it is sold, so the seller will usually be open to offers until your money is in their bank account, but this will be where a positive relationship between the seller and buyer is helpful. 6 - You pay for the survey if you want one doing, so you bear the cost whether you buy the boat or not - the argument being that the cost of the survey could save you thousands of pounds. The survey will be yours so any other potential buyer will not see it, but the seller may talk with the surveyor during the survey and get snippets or an overvue of any issues. 7 - it is most likely that dock space will be in demand meaning that faults found would need to be booked for a later date, unless the survey is carried out at a yard that has space, time and the facilities / manpower to carry out repairs straight away - but technically the boat will still belong to the seller at the time of survey. 8 - I see no difference buying from an individual or from a marina, and bear in mind that most boats sold through a marina are privately owned and sold on brokerage. I have recently bought an 82 year old narrow boat without a survey, why, because I wanted it - but I have known this boat for over 40 years
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    12.6 wide down the GU

    I last did exactly what you describe with an empty pair of large Grand Union boats in mid November 2005 when single handing them north. I then went singled out through Leighton Buzzard to Stoke Hammond 3 (Soulbury) then abreast to Talbots (Stoke Hammond). Obviously when travelling these sort of distances abreast the empty butty needs to be on the right (when looking forward) in order to keep the motor in the deep water when passing other boats and the butty's water cans and chimney away from the bridge arches / trees
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    Hidden market

    My 'historic' narrow boat was bought via Apollo Duck in 2017 and is not listed above, and I was only the second person to view it - but it did help that I knew the couple who were selling it (which to be honest would be the case with most 'historic' narrow boats, and can be a problem when we start to talk business)
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    M.B. Aries

    ARIES looks afloat to me in this image, unlike the boat alongside which I am pretty sure is exF.M.C. Ltd. CLENT - which itself was restored a couple of years later and is now the subject of restoration once again. You are far from the last person to proceed undaunted and spend a fortune restoring a boat, but thankfully people do or many older boats would have met their end years ago
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    Cost of Rubbing Strakes

    I have owned a couple of modern Jaguar XK's, both of which were alloy bodied and stuck together with rivets and glue. My concern for these cars long term was that the rivets were zinc plated steel, especially as the first one I owned (2006/56 - 4 years old) showed considerable rivet corrosion under the back end - but clearly it did not stop me from buying another in 2017 (sadly now sold to fund the renovation of a narrow boat)
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    Laundrette @ bridge inn -Brewood

    Worth baring in mind but there is another canal side pub with both a launderette and a small shop - The Wharf Inn, Fenny Compton (when I worked the boats I used to know this pub as The George and Dragon). I am sure there must be more with similar facilities
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    Started off in June 2016 @ £170000, but slowly reduced until February 2018 when it was down to £110000 - but did it sell
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    Tooley's book

    PM sent No offence taken
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    Tooley's book

    Personally I am not a great fan of books, preferring instead first hand research and talking to people. About 80% of my boat records are freely available in the public domain, but they have taken quite a bit of tracking down and transcribing - something that few people wish to do themselves nowadays. I suppose books, along with the dreaded internet, will give up and coming enthusiasts a taste for the history but there is so much dross out there that this can be poisonous. I seem to spend an increasing amount of my time correcting opinion that has been read somewhere as people do tend to believe what they read
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    Tooley's book

    Point of Order - I am happy to be described as a wrinklie but I am not wealthy, and although my boat has only about half the rivets it left the builders with none are false (rebottomed, refooted, recabinned in welded steel - all during its time as a carrying boat)
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    Tooley's book

    The first paragraph on the website claims it is already written and published: "Tooley’s historic boat yard in Banbury, Oxfordshire celebrates its 230th anniversary in 2018. To mark this auspicious occasion the yard’s director, Matthew Armitage has written a history of the yard from his own unique perspective. Published by Windlass Books" I wonder what "from his own unique perspective" means
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    Tooley's book

    We are of course the dinosaurs, and getting closer to extinction with every dawn
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    Tooley's book

    I am not quite sure what this crowd funding is for, especially with a £3000 target - apart from customers being able to pre-order a book that nobody has seen. A book is usually produced where the cumulative sale price covers the total costs of publication, unless the author / publisher knows that the content is so specialised or of such poor quality that it will not sell. In my opinion if the author does not have the conviction to financially underwrite his / her own publication then it is probably not worth publishing. edit = I stopped off at Banbury whilst passing through in early May and I spent quite some time in conversation with the couple who are running Tooley's Dock now. Their plans are ambitious and I wish them well

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