Alan de Enfield Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, furnessvale said: No wonder it brought Halsey to tears of laughter. We all know the "policy" but is it being carried out? George C&RT have claimed it is - they published examples of a marina opening (one I think was Pillings Lock) and listed all of the on-line moorings 'closed'. The 'closed moorings' are not necessarily particularly close to the marina, again, from memory, some of them were around Beeston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said: C&RT have claimed it is - they published examples of a marina opening (one I think was Pillings Lock) and listed all of the on-line moorings 'closed'. The 'closed moorings' are not necessarily particularly close to the marina, again, from memory, some of them were around Beeston. Like you, I believe all of CRT's claims. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, furnessvale said: Like you, I believe all of CRT's claims. George Along with the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny and Father Christmas. I am not a supporter of C&RT as I think my posting record would show - however when they post lists of moorings they have 'removed' and some forumites make comments about them being no longer available I do try to believe it. It was some years ago so I maybe have a 'fuzzy' recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 31 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: Along with the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny and Father Christmas. I am not a supporter of C&RT as I think my posting record would show - however when they post lists of moorings they have 'removed' and some forumites make comments about them being no longer available I do try to believe it. It was some years ago so I maybe have a 'fuzzy' recall. It's a good job I have banned my great grandchildren from access to this forum or I would have some serious explaining to do!? George 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmck Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 We are at Crick. Widebeams dominate the show, which appears quieter than of latter years. Fair warning for those on the North Oxford, twixt Braunston and Dunchurch pools after show week. Apparently, a humongous Dutch barge is being craned in at Braunston, then travelling to Dunchurch. This really is a big beast. I will try to get a photo later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 15 hours ago, johnmck said: We are at Crick. Widebeams dominate the show, which appears quieter than of latter years. Fair warning for those on the North Oxford, twixt Braunston and Dunchurch pools after show week. Apparently, a humongous Dutch barge is being craned in at Braunston, then travelling to Dunchurch. This really is a big beast. I will try to get a photo later... I'm heading that way before too long. If I meet him coming the other way, he'd better be prepared to go through the trees because I won't be doing! George 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 I'd pay good money to watch that. Just the bit from Midland Chandlers (calling them swindlers is getting old hat now) to after the A 45 bridge would do me. There are enough boats moored either side and overhanging vegetation to endanger tempers and necessitate a repaint. If we don't know exactly when this joyful occurrence will be enacted I guess we'll probably be able to catch up with it on Google Earth. That part of The Grand Oxford is probably caught in one Passover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, zenataomm said: I'd pay good money to watch that. Just the bit from Midland Chandlers (calling them swindlers is getting old hat now) to after the A 45 bridge would do me. There are enough boats moored either side and overhanging vegetation to endanger tempers and necessitate a repaint. If we don't know exactly when this joyful occurrence will be enacted I guess we'll probably be able to catch up with it on Google Earth. That part of The Grand Oxford is probably caught in one Passover. I've never actually met a widebeam on the move on any narrow canal but I know they must do because of where they moor. If I ever do, my plan is simply to tie up on the towpath for tiffin until he has passed. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, furnessvale said: I'm heading that way before too long. If I meet him coming the other way, he'd better be prepared to go through the trees because I won't be doing! George Why so aggressive? Edited May 26, 2019 by blackrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 Just now, blackrose said: Why so aggressive? #283 demonstrates my total lack of aggression. If anyone's paint is being scraped, it isn't mine! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 31 minutes ago, blackrose said: Why so aggressive? Because widebeams are appearing on totally unsuitable waterways like the northern oxford. It’s high time CRT stopped pussyfooting around and banned the marinas in such locations from accepting widebeams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, frangar said: It’s high time CRT stopped pussyfooting around and banned the marinas in such locations from accepting widebeams. I don't see how C&RT can do that. Those are 'private' waters / businesses and C&RT have no control over who they rent moorings to. I suppose a comparison would be the DVLA telling my local garage not to sell fuel to 4WD owners. C&RT COULD refuse to licence boats who declare their home mooring to be on 'unsuitable' canals, but then they would have to amend the T&C's of the access agreement that demands the marina only accepts licensed boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 49 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: I don't see how C&RT can do that. Those are 'private' waters / businesses and C&RT have no control over who they rent moorings to. I suppose a comparison would be the DVLA telling my local garage not to sell fuel to 4WD owners. C&RT COULD refuse to licence boats who declare their home mooring to be on 'unsuitable' canals, but then they would have to amend the T&C's of the access agreement that demands the marina only accepts licensed boats. The answer is much simpler than that. Simply stank off the marina entrances to 8ft wide and stank of the first road bridge from Braunston down the Oxford similarly. George 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 34 minutes ago, furnessvale said: Simply stank off the marina entrances to 8ft wide Not quite that simple - That would make it impossible for many long narrowminded boats to exit the marina - few canals are wide enough to let them 'out' and then turn, it generally needs a funnel shaped (or wide) entrance / exit to allow them to be able to start turning before they hit the opposite bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, blackrose said: Why so aggressive? People with wide boats are taking them up the North Oxford to Dunchurch Pools Marina. The North Oxford is a "narrow" canal, never designed for wide boats, or two breasted up narrow boats for that matter. (If one is being pedantic the Oxford canal was designed for horse drawn boats.) Because these boats are out of gauge some of the infrastructure has been damaged in the past. I am not a wide beam hater, correct boats for the size of canal. Edited May 26, 2019 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 28 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: Not quite that simple - That would make it impossible for many long narrowminded boats to exit the marina - few canals are wide enough to let them 'out' and then turn, it generally needs a funnel shaped (or wide) entrance / exit to allow them to be able to start turning before they hit the opposite bank. Every (new) marina I have seen has a "V" shaped entrance with stop planks at the narrows. I am suggesting those narrows should be 8ft, not the 12-14ft they seem to have. Plenty of room for a narrowboat to turn using the "V". George 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Williams Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 How many of these widebeams actually go anywhere, once that are in their chosen 'Bungalow Park' ? 2 hours ago, furnessvale said: Simply stank off the marina entrances to 8ft wide and stank of the first road bridge from Braunston down the Oxford similarly. Agree with the bridges being narrowed, but why 8 Foot? Narrowboats are 7 foot. As I said to someone - "You've got seven foot, what more do you want?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahamnewman Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 5 hours ago, zenataomm said: I'd pay good money to watch that. Just the bit from Midland Chandlers (calling them swindlers is getting old hat now) to after the A 45 bridge would do me. There are enough boats moored either side and overhanging vegetation to endanger tempers and necessitate a repaint. If we don't know exactly when this joyful occurrence will be enacted I guess we'll probably be able to catch up with it on Google Earth. That part of The Grand Oxford is probably caught in one Passover. Its being cranned in on 5th June Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogless Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 Strange how many anti wide beam boaters are happy to take a narrow boat on various rivers etc. despite it being the wrong boat for the waterway What's wrong with each to their own. Rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post frangar Posted May 26, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, dogless said: Strange how many anti wide beam boaters are happy to take a narrow boat on various rivers etc. despite it being the wrong boat for the waterway What's wrong with each to their own. Rog Narrowboats on wider waters tend not to remove lumps from bridges or make life tricky for others navigating because they are blocking the channel. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen-in-Wellies Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, frangar said: Narrowboats on wider waters tend not to remove lumps from bridges or make life tricky for others navigating because they are blocking the channel. They can wear the mitre of broad lock gates going in with only one open, leading to more water loss, if they are not accurate with their steering. They can do this to narrow locks too of course, forcing the boat in to open mitre gates. Jen with a NB on a WB canal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Williams Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, frangar said: take a narrow boat on various rivers etc. despite it being the wrong boat Narrowboats have navigated the Thames ever since it was connected with the canals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 47 minutes ago, Jen-in-Wellies said: They can wear the mitre of broad lock gates going in with only one open, leading to more water loss, if they are not accurate with their steering. They can do this to narrow locks too of course, forcing the boat in to open mitre gates. Jen with a NB on a WB canal. Agreed re broad locks. However, on a narrow lock the bows of a narrowboat will catch the steel protector plates on the gates and push them open before any contact is made with the mitre faces. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 So how do the gates on narrow locks get worn unless there are lots of canoes using them and going out through 1 gate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted May 26, 2019 Report Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris Williams said: Narrowboats have navigated the Thames ever since it was connected with the canals. I wasn’t denying that!! You’ve muddled dogless’s quote with mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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