Historic Boats for sale online

[MtB]

5 minutes ago, Athy said:

Much depends on whose time, in the seller's opinion, is being wasted.

 

I have to agree, in this case the advertiser could be argued to be the one wasting people's time by asking £40k for an unconverted butty of little historic value, having had the back cut off and a counter stern stuck on by Malcolm Braine. 

[koukouvagia]

When I was selling Owl I had a good number of what you might call non-serious enquiries.  I got the impression that they simply wanted a good old nose around the boat but were not interesting in buying.  My solution was to refer them politely to my website which gave a detailed history of the boat and its restoration and invite them to ring me again when they had had a look.   They never got back to me.  This reduced the potential purchasers to three: one who couldn't raise the money; one who couldn't make up his mind and one who clearly loved the boat and bought it immediately.

[MtB]

 

I'm in a grumpy mood this morning. Can you tell?! 

[agg221]

18 minutes ago, matty40s said:

Ah, yes, a £40k project boat...

I note no internal photographs are provided, but the advert states 'a blank canvas'.

 

There is a world of difference between a fully sorted hull and cabin where a weekend with some sandpaper and a paintbrush, plus a dry-docking and blacking, will give you something to fit out as you wish (essentially a sailaway with some historic interest) vs. a hull which is nearly perforated along the waterline and needs blast cleaning inside and out before extensive weld repairs, a cabin which needs ripping off and re-starting and an engine which needs rebuilding or replacing.

 

There is no way of knowing from that advert which of the above you are looking at, so somebody's time is going to get wasted in finding out.

 

Alec

[David Schweizer]

58 minutes ago, MtB said:

 

I'm in a grumpy mood this morning. Can you tell?! 

 

You seem to be the same as usual Mike !  😃

[MtB]

1 hour ago, agg221 said:

I note no internal photographs are provided, but the advert states 'a blank canvas'.

 

There is a world of difference between a fully sorted hull and cabin where a weekend with some sandpaper and a paintbrush, plus a dry-docking and blacking, will give you something to fit out as you wish (essentially a sailaway with some historic interest) vs. a hull which is nearly perforated along the waterline and needs blast cleaning inside and out before extensive weld repairs, a cabin which needs ripping off and re-starting and an engine which needs rebuilding or replacing.

 

There is no way of knowing from that advert which of the above you are looking at, so somebody's time is going to get wasted in finding out.

 

Alec

 

 

Yes, all this. Which kinda makes the "No time wasters" statement doubly ironic! 

 

 

[mark99]

7 hours ago, koukouvagia said:

When I was selling Owl I had a good number of what you might call non-serious enquiries.  I got the impression that they simply wanted a good old nose around the boat but were not interesting in buying.  My solution was to refer them politely to my website which gave a detailed history of the boat and its restoration and invite them to ring me again when they had had a look.   They never got back to me.  This reduced the potential purchasers to three: one who couldn't raise the money; one who couldn't make up his mind and one who clearly loved the boat and bought it immediately.

Clever!

5 hours ago, MtB said:

 

 

Yes, all this. Which kinda makes the "No time wasters" statement doubly ironic! 

 

 

I think "no time wasters" puts off certain potential serious buyers too.

[Mike Tee]

If I saw 'no time wasters' in an ad, I would totally ignore it and go look anyway if I was interested. How would the seller know I was a time waster until I had wasted his time? And at that point if I decided I didn't want to go further with the purchase I wouldn't give a damn what the seller thought!

[zenataomm]

When I read  "no time wasters" in an advert I imagine a vendor who turns aggressive when things don't go their way.

Not that I'd be put off going to view, however I do wonder what they were hiding that got rumbled.

[Derek R.]

The same is true in the automotive world. No time wasters to me says: "Don't bother coming if you are not going to buy the item at the advertised price."

 

It's an aggressive stance that puts many off.

[Tim Lewis]

Rayleigh

 

 

[James Owen]

I wonder which 'conversion' they refer to, that from 1880's horse boat to butty or perhaps from butty to powered butty?

[MtB]

A Bedford engine? Out of an 80s Bedford Midi van perhaps? Or earlier than that? 

 

Interesting. But not that interesting....

[magnetman]

8 hours ago, James Owen said:

I wonder which 'conversion' they refer to, that from 1880's horse boat to butty or perhaps from butty to powered butty?

It might never have been a butty. 

 

I briefly owned an 1884 Bantock "type 1" motorised horse boat. It had been converted from being a horse drawn barge to a motor barge.

 

This boat is the one I had:

https://www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk/register/2087/orianne

Lovely old thing but I didn't want to ruin it by putting a steel cabin on it.

 

I think Rayleigh might be the same type and could have been motorised a long time ago.

 

 

 

[roland elsdon]

1 hour ago, magnetman said:

It might never have been a butty. 

 

I briefly owned an 1884 Bantock "type 1" motorised horse boat. It had been converted from being a horse drawn barge to a motor barge.

 

This boat is the one I had:

https://www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk/register/2087/orianne

Lovely old thing but I didn't want to ruin it by putting a steel cabin on it.

 

I think Rayleigh might be the same type and could have been motorised a long time ago.

 

 

 

Did’nt Jim Mcdonald end up with Oriagne and convert it. ( Eileen)

Lovely boat 

[GUMPY]

35 minutes ago, roland elsdon said:

Did’nt Jim Mcdonald end up with Oriagne and convert it. ( Eileen)

Lovely boat 

Yes he had Eileen, I tried to buy it but he wouldn't sell it to me ☹️ 

Very fast and swam like a fish 😱

[roland elsdon]

Tied up with us at Braunston a few years ago. Matched our length perfectly. Mrs S gave me a hard look and said ‘we did the butty thing for 18 years don’t go there!

[Derek R.]

I remember EILEEN at Chertsey. Chap named Paul lived aboard with his dog, a long haired collie called 'Toby'. Early eighties.

The boat had a full length cabin in wood, the engine was in the stern, ahead of which was a cabin in the traditional back cabin layout, but reversed with side hatches and access through to the front (from distant memory). Very atmospheric and very comfortable. I dare say it was pretty rotten too, hence the start of several changes. Much later she was with Jim at 'two bridges'.

[James Owen]

3 hours ago, magnetman said:

It might never have been a butty. 

 

I briefly owned an 1884 Bantock "type 1" motorised horse boat. It had been converted from being a horse drawn barge to a motor barge.

 

This boat is the one I had:

https://www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk/register/2087/orianne

Lovely old thing but I didn't want to ruin it by putting a steel cabin on it.

 

I think Rayleigh might be the same type and could have been motorised a long time ago.

 

 

 

I was being facetious. The advert reads 'converted butty'.

[MtB]

4 hours ago, James Owen said:

I was being facetious. The advert reads 'converted butty'.

 

More seriously, what are the differences between a horse boat and a butty built for towing by a motor? 

 

Presumably there are lots of differences, but having never owned either I've often wondered.

[magnetman]

7 hours ago, roland elsdon said:

Did’nt Jim Mcdonald end up with Oriagne and convert it. ( Eileen)

Lovely boat 

That was a different boat I think. I remember Eileen at cassio wharf but recall it being unconverted. 

 

Orianne sat at common moor (with full wooden cabin) for years, near the overspill below the lock. 

 

The Eileen I remember at cassio wharf was one of the boats with rivetted bulb plate instead of D bar rubbing strakes. orianne has 3 inch D bar. 

 

Maybe he also had Orianne before that.

 

Orianne is a lovely boat. Too much for me to deal with but a serious nice boat for boating. I did do Stafford and back from Ricky including the Thames on her. Enjoyed that. 

 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2021 by magnetman

[roland elsdon]

1 hour ago, magnetman said:

1 hour ago, magnetman said:

That was a different boat I think. I remember Eileen at cassio wharf but recall it being unconverted. 

 

Orianne sat at common moor (with full wooden cabin) for years, near the overspill below the lock. 

 

The Eileen I remember at cassio wharf was one of the boats with rivetted bulb plate instead of D bar rubbing strakes. orianne has 3 inch D bar. 

 

Maybe he also had Orianne before that.

 

Orianne is a lovely boat. Too much for me to deal with but a serious nice boat for boating. I did do Stafford and back from Ricky including the Thames on her. Enjoyed that. 

 

 

 

Clearly you know better than me I was making an assumption.

As I recall Jim had Elizabeth only when we used to be around Ricky.

We have only been south of Maffers once since 1988 so we had little contact till he turned up with Eileen at Wfb co in the mid 90s.

[roland elsdon]

2 hours ago, MtB said:

 

More seriously, what are the differences between a horse boat and a butty built for towing by a motor? 

 

Presumably there are lots of differences, but having never owned either I've often wondered.

You dont get a bloody great shovel and a supply of biodegradable horse poo bags as part of the options list with a butty.

[Ray T]

11 hours ago, roland elsdon said:

Didn't Jim Mcdonald end up with Oriagne and convert it. ( Eileen)

Lovely boat 

To my knowledge Jim McDonald owned Elizabeth.

 

Eileen:

 

 

Edited December 17, 2021 by Ray T

[GUMPY]

He owned a boat called Eileen as well very similar to that picture, as I said I tried to buy it from him but he wouldn't sell