Popular Post noddyboater Posted June 13, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, Graham Davis said: Have you perhaps considered that it is YOUR attitude and demeanor that causes the problem? That's an interesting question. How it can be my attitude or demeanor is beyond me though. The "problem" I was referring to was people making the otherwise green and pleasant land into a shit tip, and then eventually moving on. I've lived aboard and moored on the towpath, but at no point felt the need to turn my surroundings into a dump. It draws attention to the culprit more than anything, which you'd think is the last thing they'd want. It doesn't cost anything to keep your chosen spot clean, most of us manage it. If you want to live aboard some kind of overflowing floating skip that's your choice, but don't inflict your scruffy ways onto other canal users and wildlife. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrsmelly Posted June 13, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, noddyboater said: That's an interesting question. How it can be my attitude or demeanor is beyond me though. The "problem" I was referring to was people making the otherwise green and pleasant land into a shit tip, and then eventually moving on. I've lived aboard and moored on the towpath, but at no point felt the need to turn my surroundings into a dump. It draws attention to the culprit more than anything, which you'd think is the last thing they'd want. It doesn't cost anything to keep your chosen spot clean, most of us manage it. If you want to live aboard some kind of overflowing floating skip that's your choice, but don't inflict your scruffy ways onto other canal users and wildlife. As a very long term liveaboard I have to agree. When I engage people in conversation at a mooring and the conversation comes round to them realising we are liveaboards there is often a look of suprise and people say they didnt think we lived aboard. It may be something to do with no crap on the roof? No tarpaulin? No chicken run? or no pallets or rusty push bikes? Not having a purple boat or wearing 1960s hippy clothing seems to throw them off the scent also. It takes all kinds to make a world but the same as you when we leave a mooring apart from a bit of squashed grass you would never know we had been there. In all honesty I dont care wether people have a shiny boat or a scruffy old yoghurt pot but leaving the path and surroundings like a tip whilst moored or indeed when moved off pees me off. And dont get me started on plastic oil containers at rubbish points left at the side of the wheelie bins full of old oil!! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kudzucraft Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Oddjob said: The CRT states "it's hard for us because if we take the boat away we then make them homeless which we can't do" I would like to put forward the idea that no marina or fuel boat can supply non license holders, if they do they catch a large fine. For marina owners if a boat is in their marina and it's not showing a license if they have a hard standing they MUST take the boat out of the water and put in their yard, if they don't have a hard standing the boat is padlocked to the jetty and can not be moved for ANY reason fuel, pump out nothing until a license is displayed, again large fine for non compliance. Everyone seems to have overlooked this but I think that is brilliant!! Requiring the marina to do all that work for free might be a bit much, but they would think twice before allowing someone in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kudzucraft said: Everyone seems to have overlooked this but I think that is brilliant!! Requiring the marina to do all that work for free might be a bit much, but they would think twice before allowing someone in. Its already a requirement in ??? most marinas AND a condition of the mooring terms and conditions that a boat is licenced, insured and has a valid BSS. (In those marinas not exempted from boats needing a licence). We have always had to provide evidence before we were allowed to take up our mooring and on renewal. Edited June 13, 2020 by The Happy Nomad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 43 minutes ago, Kudzucraft said: Everyone seems to have overlooked this but I think that is brilliant!! Requiring the marina to do all that work for free might be a bit much, but they would think twice before allowing someone in. But it is impracticable because boats no longer need to display their licence "discs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Athy said: But it is impracticable because boats no longer need to display their licence "discs". Presumably the marina could make it a condition. CRT keep saying they have to be displayed even though they check by boat number. But not evety boat shows that either. Compared to the number of decent boats and boaters though, how big a problem is it really? You get the odd tosser in all walks of life so we're bound to have a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Izz Posted June 13, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Oddjob said: Well where to start? 1. Came across a lock with both bottom gates open paddles up! 100 yards (I'm 68 don't do meters well I can but don't) down the cut the boat is in the next lock heading down so I go down and point out I am not here to clear up after them, got told "do I like sex and travel" if yes then F@#K off then. There reason was we thought (they were double handed me single handed) a boat was coming up. crap just to lazy to close up after themselves. 2. After clearing both locks there they are sat moored up on the lock landing enjoying afternoon tea, well in their case cheap Tesco lager I should think. 3. The boat had: 1. No name 2. No index number 3. And of course no license displayed. Taking the above into account if I were a betting man no BSS cert and no Insurance either. The CRT states "it's hard for us because if we take the boat away we then make them homeless which we can't do" I would like to put forward the idea that no marina or fuel boat can supply non license holders, if they do they catch a large fine. For marina owners if a boat is in their marina and it's not showing a license if they have a hard standing they MUST take the boat out of the water and put in their yard, if they don't have a hard standing the boat is padlocked to the jetty and can not be moved for ANY reason fuel, pump out nothing until a license is displayed, again large fine for non compliance. I get fed up seeing boats out on the cut that say they are CC's when in fact if they untied the mooring ropes the boat would turn over being so top heavy with all the rubbish on roof, also it would take a week to pack up all their rubbish from the tow path. Again so many showing no license. Then have the cheek because I have my engine ON and in GEAR so moving to shout "slow down" when engine is just above tick over so steering is not problem and again no license displayed in many cases. If as in another post on here the CRT wants to increase the mileage a CC must do to qualify as a CC I have no issue with that as I did 600+ hrs last June to October and boat was in a marina when I was out of UK in India. Free loaders need taking to task by the CRT it claims it's hard up, then collect what's due and clamp down on non license payers I pay mine you yours so should the free loaders, there is no thing such as a free lunch. Rant over Was it you who went past me early yesterday, shouting to your mate about my displayed license being three years out of date with a look on your face like somebody was holding a turd under your nose? For your information, I am fully licensed. The dole pay it for me. ?? 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Vectis Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Athy said: Tee-hee. No, it was a share boat, though the steerer was probably from an adjacent part of the country. I wonder if it was the same share boat we followed over the Oxford summit last year? Couldn't be bothered to tell boats passing in the other direction that there was another boat, us, not far behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: CRT keep saying they have to be displayed I thought that they no longer did: I had to ask them specially to post my licence discs/squares/whatever last year. 1 minute ago, Victor Vectis said: I wonder if it was the same share boat we followed over the Oxford summit last year? Couldn't be bothered to tell boats passing in the other direction that there was another boat, us, not far behind. Late August/ early September? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Athy said: I thought that they no longer did: I had to ask them specially to post my licence discs/squares/whatever last year. Late August/ early September? I think you are expected to print them off now, but if you cannot you have to ask for them to be posted if for any reason you cannot. I believe they also still expect them to be displayed. From the CRT website. I’ve lost my licence discs, what should I do? Although we can tell from the boat index number whether a boat is licenced, it’s still a legal requirement to display them along with your boat name and index number. If you bought your licence online, you can log into your account and print another set. If your index plates are temporarily obscured for any reason (eg. under covers during winter) you can also print temporary plates to display. Edited June 13, 2020 by The Happy Nomad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bod Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, Athy said: But it is impracticable because boats no longer need to display their licence "discs". Legislation does require that boats, must have their name, number and license, displayed. C&RT did try to do away with paper licences, but fell foul of the legislation, and had to bactrack. Bod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUMPY Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: Compared to the number of decent boats and boaters though, how big a problem is it really? You get the odd tosser in all walks of life so we're bound to have a few. There are a few posting on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Must admit, I’m one of the can’t be arsed to display a license. Haven’t got a printer and lose them when sent and legal or not, I don’t think CRT are particularly arsed about it either 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system 4-50 Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 I don't display the license thingy and I asked the checker and he said he didn't care so I don't bother. I'm thinking of altering the emailed ones to show 99 instead of 21 and printing those off instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, The Happy Nomad said: I think you are expected to print them off now, but if you cannot you have to ask for them to be posted if for any reason you cannot. I believe they also still expect them to be displayed. From the CRT website. I’ve lost my licence discs, what should I do? Although we can tell from the boat index number whether a boat is licenced, it’s still a legal requirement to display them along with your boat name and index number. If you bought your licence online, you can log into your account and print another set. If your index plates are temporarily obscured for any reason (eg. under covers during winter) you can also print temporary plates to display. Thanks. Interesting that CART call them "discs" even though they are square. I blame the maths teachers. I renew our licence by post, hence I expect to receive the squares in the same way. I've done so since we first licensed a boat (1998 I think). Edited June 13, 2020 by Athy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Goliath said: Must admit, I’m one of the can’t be arsed to display a license. Haven’t got a printer and lose them when sent and legal or not, I don’t think CRT are particularly arsed about it either Given the DVLA managed to switch to a system that scrapped paper licences for millions of vehicles it shouldnt be beyond the wit of man for CRT to do so. I think the reality is they couldnt really care less, as long of course there is an index number on display for them to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 They use photo recognition. I know because our covers hide the modern number thing we painted on. I asked if it was an issue once and the licence checker said no. We have those tin plate things they give you, and I think the British waterways staff threw them under the engine bilge back when it was a Company boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Athy said: But it is impracticable because boats no longer need to display their licence "discs". I thought there was a law which said licences must be displayed? If this is correct surely CRT can't alter that. EDIT to add many complain loud and long when they think CRT are overriding the law but somehow never complain when this law is overridden. Edited June 13, 2020 by Jerra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jerra said: I thought there was a law which said licences must be displayed? If this is correct surely CRT can't alter that. See Post 35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, Loddon said: There are a few posting on here I wasn't going to say that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jerra said: I thought there was a law which said licences must be displayed? If this is correct surely CRT can't alter that. Marking of vessels 5. (1) Every vessel on any canal shall have exhibited on the outside thereof so as to be clearly legible at all times at a distance of twenty yards (i) her name and such index mark and number (if any) as the Board shall have assigned to the vessel (ii) her port of registration or the name of her owner, and (iii) (after such plates, marks, or other indications as are mentioned in paragraph (2) of this Bye-law shall have been shown on the vessel in accordance with the said paragraph) the said plates, marks or other indications. (2) The owner of every vessel on any canal shall on receipt of reasonable notice in writing in that behalf from an authorised officer take such vessel unladen to such place on the canal as shall be indicated in the notice and there permit such vessel to be measured weighed or otherwise examined and to be affixed, inscribed or otherwise shown thereto or thereon such gauge plates, draught marks or other indications (whether newly or by way of substitution for existing indications) as the Board shall require for ascertainment of the weight of cargo from time to time carried by the vessel. (3) The requirements of paragraph (1) (ii) and (iii) and (2) of this Bye-law shall not apply to pleasure boats or any vessel of the Board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jerra said: I thought there was a law which said licences must be displayed? If this is correct surely CRT can't alter that. There a hell of a lot of laws on the statute books that aren't enforced for on reason or another. This is just another one that is no longer relevant but not worth parliamentary time to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 My license on display is out of date. We all got a months extension. I’ve bought my new one but I don’t have a printer. Will print off a copy when I’m next in town with access to a shop with printer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Arthur Marshall said: There a hell of a lot of laws on the statute books that aren't enforced for on reason or another. This is just another one that is no longer relevant but not worth parliamentary time to change. I still find the hypocrisy of boaters, who squeal blue murder at CRT in (their view) trying to change the law, but accept them making changes when they agree with the change, more than a little strange. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john6767 Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jerra said: I thought there was a law which said licences must be displayed? If this is correct surely CRT can't alter that. EDIT to add many complain loud and long when they think CRT are overriding the law but somehow never complain when this law is overridden. Yes it is in one of that waterways acts that the licence must be displayed, so unless CRT want to push another act through then it is a legal requirement, CRT do not have the power to say that they don't need to be displayed, even though they just use the index number. But everyone knows that, just some want to think differently. Can't see the big deal personally. Some of the manned locks do check the actual licence though, so I don't know how you get on there if you don't bother, I guess you just show them it on your phone. 5 minutes ago, Nightwatch said: My license on display is out of date. We all got a months extension. I’ve bought my new one but I don’t have a printer. Will print off a copy when I’m next in town with access to a shop with printer. Not everyone did, you got nothing if you have a gold licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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