The Bearwood Boster Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 It's not often I'm lost for words,but looking at the pictures-words really do fail me !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Vagabond Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 Such negativity here, I would have thought many on here would be thinking of similar adaptations to their own boats. The 'gull wing' doors must be excellent for decapitating passing speeding cyclists on the towpath 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 Bit slow on here, we were laughing at this on Thunderboat when they tried to sell last time!!! and they still havent cleaned it up or altered the add ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen-in-Wellies Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, roland elsdon said: I cannot see how any surveyor would pass a boat with a pyrex dish as the door glass... Well it is the correct type of glass for a stove door. The kitchen does have a fire extinguisher and blanket. Escape should be easy as a light kick would get you through any cabin side. The gaps in the roof are a charming and novel way to meet the high level ventilation recommendations and acts as a flue for the gas heater. The cooker sloping in to the wall means it can't topple over. The "builder" has definitely read at least some of the BSS requirements. No bids yet, despite the seller having 100% positive feedback. The next and bigger project will be something to see! Edited January 9, 2020 by Jen-in-Wellies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Rumsky said: Now if only you could get that inboard engine working again to produce 1.21 gigawatts of power, you could travel back to a time when it was a perfectly useable boat. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said: You could argue that he cannot pass it unless the boat passes the 'ventilation' guidelines. If it is not a 'required' requirement than however daft it may seem he cannot fail it. He cannot fail the boat because of the pyrex-dish fire door (unless there is something else that is actually non-compliant) There is some confusion as to the meaning of the BSS certificate (some even think it means the boat is safe, won't sink and is equivalent to a survey) Remember, the BSS is not intended to 'protect' the occupants, it is intended to protect the : 1) Water from pollution 2) Passers by on the towpath 3) Passing boats and boaters. The argument for the introduction of the CO alarms in 2019, was not for the protection of the boat occupants, but for the protection of passers-by (weak argument in my book !) Ludicrous, back in 1990s they wanted us to extend our in engine room 6 inch diesel fillers through the roof but this is now legal.../ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, roland elsdon said: Ludicrous, back in 1990s they wanted us to extend our in engine room 6 inch diesel fillers through the roof but this is now legal.../ Their mission statement (in their own words) The Boat Safety Scheme The Boat Safety Scheme, or BSS, is a public safety initiative owned by the Canal & River Trust and the Environment Agency. Its purpose is to help minimise the risk of boat fires, explosions, or pollution harming visitors to the inland waterways, the waterways' workforce and any other users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 ............................... but it could be argued that the boat-owner and his crew/guests are included in those 'visitors'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Murflynn said: ............................... but it could be argued that the boat-owner and his crew/guests are included in those 'visitors'. I think that has been argued previously, and fell down on some technicality. eg: If the intention was safety of people on the 'subject' boat them ventilation would be compulsory (it isn't), sources of CO would be rigorously tested (cracks in SF stove doors ?) they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 So how come co2 monitoring if crt dont care about occupants. besides a flaming bomb moored abreast easily causes more flaming bombs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 I don't get it! What's so special about this pile of crap? You don't need to go on eBay to see such junk, just have a look around your local waterway. They're all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, roland elsdon said: So how come co2 monitoring if crt dont care about occupants. besides a flaming bomb moored abreast easily causes more flaming bombs CO, not CO2. It's carbon monoxide that kills instantly. Eventually carbon dioxide will probably get us all indirectly, but that's a global issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, roland elsdon said: So how come co2 monitoring if crt dont care about occupants. Answered in post number 17, page 1 of this thread. But you can read the full detail and justification on the BSS website, all you need to do is click the link below. In the past two years new information about the potential risk to boaters presented by CO has brought the need for action into focus. From the recent evidence collected, people and their pets aboard their own boats are at medium risk of CO poisoning from sources of CO generated outside of the boat by others e.g. the use of engines and appliances on adjacent boats. The recently identified potential risk cannot be controlled by boat owners themselves. The risk is enhanced by the fact that CO is a hidden danger. The circumstances fall within the remit of the Scheme to have in place measures that protect boat owners from the activity of others. In these circumstances a mandatory new BSS Requirement is warranted, as opposed to an ‘Advice check’. https://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/about-us/co-alarm-consultation/ Edited January 10, 2020 by Alan de Enfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: Answered in post number 17, page 1 of this thread. But you can read the full detail and justification on the BSS website, all you need to do is click the link below. In the past two years new information about the potential risk to boaters presented by CO has brought the need for action into focus. From the recent evidence collected, people and their pets aboard their own boats are at medium risk of CO poisoning from sources of CO generated outside of the boat by others e.g. the use of engines and appliances on adjacent boats. The recently identified potential risk cannot be controlled by boat owners themselves. The risk is enhanced by the fact that CO is a hidden danger. The circumstances fall within the remit of the Scheme to have in place measures that protect boat owners from the activity of others. In these circumstances a mandatory new BSS Requirement is warranted, as opposed to an ‘Advice check’. https://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/about-us/co-alarm-consultation/ The risk to others is a rather odd and tenuous way to introduce CO monitors into BSS. Why not just say it's important to fit CO alarms to keep boaters safe in their own boats and, whilst not the remit of the BSS, the BSS is the most effective way of controlling it? Rhetorical question Alan - I don't expect you to have the answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Sea Dog said: The risk to others is a rather odd and tenuous way to introduce CO monitors into BSS. Why not just say it's important to fit CO alarms to keep boaters safe in their own boats and, whilst not the remit of the BSS, the BSS is the most effective way of controlling it? Rhetorical question Alan - I don't expect you to have the answer! Its a fair question, and I don't have the answer. The 'law of the land' does not allow the 'authorities' to interfere with the personal liberties by dictating / controlling dangerous acts that do not impinge on others, however, (as has been suggested) what about 'innocent' visitors or family aboard the boat, do they not have a right to live even if the boat owner decides to commit suicide ? The fact that a boat owner who killed his family by CO poisoning as a result of his modifications to a generator, was found guilty of manslaughter might suggest that there could be a justification for enforcing the installation of CO monitors - there would then be arguments about "I haven't modified anything so I shouldn't have one" or "I boat single handed so you cannot make me have one". You would not think that the boating community was against the introduction of CO alarms and that they could see the benefits of a £20 life saver without being told that they MUST have one. I would suggest that equivalents would be the introduction of motorcycle helmets or seat-belts in cars and there use made mandatory - there did not seem to be any conflict about 'liberties' and safety when they were introduced. I wonder if this is relevant ? Attorney-General v. Great Eastern Railway Co. (1880) 5 App.Cas. 473, Lord Blackburn said, at p. 481: 'where there is an Act of Parliament creating a corporation for a particular purpose, and giving it powers for that particular purpose, what it does not expressly or impliedly authorise is to be taken to be prohibited; ... Edited January 10, 2020 by Alan de Enfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen-in-Wellies Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 hours ago, blackrose said: I don't get it! What's so special about this pile of crap? You don't need to go on eBay to see such junk, just have a look around your local waterway. They're all over the place. I agree that you can find shed boats everywhere. What is special here is the discrepancy between the extreme shedness of the boat and the apparent pride with which the seller describes it. I don't know if he is just talking it up in the hope that a mug buyer on ebay will actually pay £8k for it, of if he is genuinely proud of it and blind to its shedness and his complete lack of any skill in fitting it out. Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 hours ago, blackrose said: CO, not CO2. It's carbon monoxide that kills instantly. Eventually carbon dioxide will probably get us all indirectly, but that's a global issue. how many times do we have to point this out? one might conclude that there are folk out there who didn't pay attention to third form science lessons - surely not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen-in-Wellies Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 08/01/2020 at 23:43, luggsy said: Well it's made me er I don't know just read the description https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/37ft-Springer-narrow-boat-creative-project/264592282930?hash=item3d9aedd532:g:LjMAAOSwb55eFb2x Just had a look again and it now says: Quote This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing. I wonder which part the seller decided was in error? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onionman Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Jen-in-Wellies said: I wonder which part the seller decided was in error? The words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowback Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Jen-in-Wellies said: Just had a look again and it now says: I wonder which part the seller decided was in error? He realised he had asked to little for it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Yellowback said: He realised he had asked to little for it? having described it in glowing terms he decided he actually loved it far too much to part with it to a complete stranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 How about this one on Facebook, I don't know where the original add is https://www.facebook.com/groups/NarrowboatOwnersGroup/permalink/2549703315307941/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Jen-in-Wellies said: Just had a look again and it now says: I wonder which part the seller decided was in error? The "k" after the £8 ? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Jen-in-Wellies said: Just had a look again and it now says: I wonder which part the seller decided was in error? Its reappeared at https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/37ft-Springer-narrow-boat-creative-project/264593930491. Now £4,500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, David Mack said: Its reappeared at https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/37ft-Springer-narrow-boat-creative-project/264593930491. Now £4,500 I notice it’s now an auction tho...so that’s the starting price....who knows where it will get to.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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