alan_fincher Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 Shown on CWDF several times before. Here's one of ours at work, (but before our ownership)...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detling Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 please don't pass me in ice that thick, seriously though yogurt pots are much more vulnerable to damage by ice than narrowboats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Detling said: please don't pass me in ice that thick, seriously though yogurt pots are much more vulnerable to damage by ice than narrowboats. But are they? That’s often quoted but I’ve yet to hear of one sunk by a moving sheet of ice. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWM Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, WotEver said: But are they? That’s often quoted but I’ve yet to hear of one sunk by a moving sheet of ice. I think it is another over sensitive modern reaction, there are plenty of pictures of working craft breaking ice throughout the 50's/60's and cruisers, both wooden and grp were common on the system even then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGoat Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 Aaaaah - shades of my youth - Lyons Maid family brick, comes in four varieties, sweeter, smoother, richer, and only one and six - Lyons Maid family brick... Made in Cadby Hall (next to Olympia) 'ammersmith Lunnon, home of Bertram Mills Circus - both now long gone. Lyons pioneered not only early computers (Leo made by English Electric), but also mark sensing used on their van fleet order system. Happy days.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Detling said: please don't pass me in ice that thick, seriously though yogurt pots are much more vulnerable to damage by ice than narrowboats. 46 minutes ago, WotEver said: But are they? That’s often quoted but I’ve yet to hear of one sunk by a moving sheet of ice. 36 minutes ago, BWM said: I think it is another over sensitive modern reaction, there are plenty of pictures of working craft breaking ice throughout the 50's/60's and cruisers, both wooden and grp were common on the system even then. If concerned about the fragility of your boat, it's a ood idea to hang ice boards alongside it if you are worried. Don't expect CRT not to go past if there's ice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Ambrose Posted December 8, 2018 Report Share Posted December 8, 2018 9 hours ago, Detling said: please don't pass me in ice that thick, seriously though yogurt pots are much more vulnerable to damage by ice than narrowboats. Complete nonsense again about GRP boats, every year once it gets cold all this old tosh is trotted out. We lived on a 40x12 Broads cruiser for 10 years and never had any problem going ice breaking. Also once a week I would go for gas or diesel in a 12x6 dinghy, constructed from marine ply, she would ride up onto the ice and break it, the only issue I ever had was when a large chunk of ice got caught between the O/B leg and the transom, not a problem to shift it Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 There are grp hulls and grp hulls. Of course the broads cruiser could cope with ice, the hull was probably about half an inch think or more. On the other hand I have worked on small two berth cruisers where you could see the sunlight reflecting of the water ripples right through the hull. I very much doubt those would get away unscathed by ice sheets being pushed into the hull, especially if they were frozen sold as an unoccupied boat may be. I also know of a sturdily clinker built whaler type boat the sunk having hit ice in a Thames lock cut. I think blithely saying breaking ice will not damage GRP or in fact any other type of boat is irresponsible. If I had a GRP boat apart from a Broads cruiser that I moored online I would certainly deploy ice boards when harsh weather was forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWM Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Tony Brooks said: There are grp hulls and grp hulls. Of course the broads cruiser could cope with ice, the hull was probably about half an inch think or more. On the other hand I have worked on small two berth cruisers where you could see the sunlight reflecting of the water ripples right through the hull. I very much doubt those would get away unscathed by ice sheets being pushed into the hull, especially if they were frozen sold as an unoccupied boat may be. I also know of a sturdily clinker built whaler type boat the sunk having hit ice in a Thames lock cut. I think blithely saying breaking ice will not damage GRP or in fact any other type of boat is irresponsible. If I had a GRP boat apart from a Broads cruiser that I moored online I would certainly deploy ice boards when harsh weather was forecast. Being as breaking ice has always been a normal activity on the canals I'd suggest that craft used on there should be fit for purpose, rather than all other users having to modify their behaviour. Your suggestion of ice boards is a sensible compromise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyladyx Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 21 hours ago, WotEver said: But are they? That’s often quoted but I’ve yet to hear of one sunk by a moving sheet of ice. I've seen one sunk last winter by a narrowboat breaking ice, it was an abandoned boat so not sure if the hull was in good condition. Crt left it their sunk for 4 months with just the top of the windows showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyladyx Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 I hate the sound of ice breaking in my boat, it sounds like the end of the world. Saying that I accidentally ended up breaking ice myself once thinking it had melted.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) As done in days of yore by men and horses. Edited December 9, 2018 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 On 08/12/2018 at 19:03, ditchcrawler said: It might be the fuzziness of the video but the front end of the above doesn't seem to match the lettering on the sheets. Unless it's a Small Josherwich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceinSanity Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, zenataomm said: It might be the fuzziness of the video but the front end of the above doesn't seem to match the lettering on the sheets. Unless it's a Small Josherwich? It’s Hadar, a Roger Fuller repro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Ambrose Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Greyladyx said: I've seen one sunk last winter by a narrowboat breaking ice, it was an abandoned boat so not sure if the hull was in good condition. Crt left it their sunk for 4 months with just the top of the windows showing. You actually witnessed the sinking or just heard it was sunk due to being struck by ice? Phil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyladyx Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, Phil Ambrose said: You actually witnessed the sinking or just heard it was sunk due to being struck by ice? Phil My friend saw it happen whilst moored next to it. Hear say that i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 08/12/2018 at 18:10, WotEver said: But are they? That’s often quoted but I’ve yet to hear of one sunk by a moving sheet of ice. But is that because the ice holds them above the surface until it thaws? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, cuthound said: But is that because the ice holds them above the surface until it thaws? ? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Schweizer Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) On the matter of a narrowboat cutting through ice and sinking a fibreglass boat, I actually witnessed it happen back in the 1960's. A single working boat approached Uxbridge Lock where there were a number of boats moored above the lock. The large sheets of broken ice were forced sliding on top of the ice alongside the moored boats, cutting one of them in half. It sank within less than a minute. I could still name the boat and the steerer, but will refrain. Edited December 10, 2018 by David Schweizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Vagabond Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 08/12/2018 at 00:54, bizzard said: Bleach? weren't a relative of Rossi were they. Rossi's were big in Southend. That'll be Rossi of Status Quo fame, won't it? (Francis Rossi) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 09/12/2018 at 08:03, Tony Brooks said: There are grp hulls and grp hulls. Of course the broads cruiser could cope with ice, the hull was probably about half an inch think or more. On the other hand I have worked on small two berth cruisers where you could see the sunlight reflecting of the water ripples right through the hull. I very much doubt those would get away unscathed by ice sheets being pushed into the hull, especially if they were frozen sold as an unoccupied boat may be. I also know of a sturdily clinker built whaler type boat the sunk having hit ice in a Thames lock cut. I think blithely saying breaking ice will not damage GRP or in fact any other type of boat is irresponsible. If I had a GRP boat apart from a Broads cruiser that I moored online I would certainly deploy ice boards when harsh weather was forecast. Well they must "get away" with ice being pushed against them given the complete lack of sunk cruisers every time the canal freezes over! Last time we took NC out ice breaking it was the steel boats complaining that we would damage their boats! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess-- Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 bit of ice breaking in Braunston (Winter 75 / spring 76) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keeping Up Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 We were breaking ice a few years back when we came across a pair of swans frantically swimming round in circled to keep an area about 20ft across as liquid. They couldn't escape from this circle (couldn't climb out and couldn't achieve takeoff speed) and if we had carried on there was the risk that the sliding sheets of ice would cause them serious injury. We backed up and instead steered directly towards them despite their obvious panic, which opened a path through the ice into their circle, and then backed off and returned to our original track past them. They swam out of their circle, along the opening we had made, to emerge behind us and swim away in the direction from which we had come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Ambrose Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Keeping Up said: We were breaking ice a few years back when we came across a pair of swans frantically swimming round in circled to keep an area about 20ft across as liquid. They couldn't escape from this circle (couldn't climb out and couldn't achieve takeoff speed) and if we had carried on there was the risk that the sliding sheets of ice would cause them serious injury. We backed up and instead steered directly towards them despite their obvious panic, which opened a path through the ice into their circle, and then backed off and returned to our original track past them. They swam out of their circle, along the opening we had made, to emerge behind us and swim away in the direction from which we had come. The ducks in the Maud Foster drain in Boston would all congregate under the Vauxhall Road bridge which was the last place to freeze , they all kept on the move to keep it free. The noise of them all quacking was deafening Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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