Derek R. Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 3 hours ago, alan_fincher said: Unlike the Apollo Duck advert, (so far not amended), this one shows a pairing with Mallard, (i.e. not Greenfinch). In the image taken at Linslade, (where it appears as Wyvern Shipping's Elizabeth, is anybody able to positively identify the Middle Northwich icebreaker/tug, please? I'm sure it is either Sickle or Theophilus, and am pretty confident it is Theophilus rather that Sickle. I would dearly like evidence that proves that, though. It's close. Both THEOPHILUS and SICKLE have the riveted on support bracket for the blade in exactly the same place. Both had the rocking bar fixed to a plate on the front engine room bulkhead that was raised above the roof. TYCHO and SEXTANS were fixed below the roof line directly against the bulkhead. But the images I have of Alf Best steering SICKLE show an air intake in front of the pigeon box - facing forward. But when was that arrangement fitted? I would plump for THEOPHILUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 14 hours ago, matty40s said: Theophilus worked as a hire boat for Wyvern for some years, only lost its hire cabin top around 2015 at Glascote. With Cabin top in 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 32 minutes ago, Tim Lewis said: With Cabin top in 2012 It does seem like an act of historic vandalism to have cut that beautiful cabin off, then leave the hull out on the hard standing to rot in the weather. Or has work on it now commenced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted October 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 12 hours ago, Derek R. said: But the images I have of Alf Best steering SICKLE show an air intake in front of the pigeon box - facing forward. But when was that arrangement fitted? I doubt it would have had the vent whilst fitted with a Russel Newbery engine, those being water cooled, of course. The first air cooled engine fitted would have been the Armstrong Siddeley "Peregrine", (i.r.AS3), fitted in January 1957, this being replaced in turn by several 3 cylinder Listers. The photo showing the icebreaker, alongside Wyvern's Heather Belle and Elizabeth has to be from the mid 1950s, as they did not have Elizabeth long, (from memory limited to about 1954 to 1956, but I'd need to check). if it was Sickle in the photo, (which I doubt), it would still have had the Russel Newbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted October 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, MtB said: It does seem like an act of historic vandalism to have cut that beautiful cabin off, then leave the hull out on the hard standing to rot in the weather. Or has work on it now commenced? Whilst it has clearly had at least a good covering of paint shortly before Tim's photo, I'm fairly certain it was pretty life expired when the current owner swapped it for a replacement boat. Whilst mos of the cabin dates from its hire boat days, the forward part is a later addition, boxing in over the former well deck. Here is a hire boat view, though this looks like its sister "Hesperus", (actually GUCCCo "Sextans" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Tee Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours running for 2/6d - if only! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Mike Tee said: 3 hours running for 2/6d - if only! In 1968 you could buy a pint of beer for half a crown or two large wrapped, sliced loaves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, zenataomm said: In 1968 you could buy a pint of beer for half a crown or two large wrapped, sliced loaves! No I couldn't. I wasn't allowed in pubs back in 1968! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, MtB said: No I couldn't. I wasn't allowed in pubs back in 1968! We're you banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 27 minutes ago, Tonka said: We're you banned "We are" you banned? Were you banned! He probably wasn't old enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 31 minutes ago, Tonka said: We're you banned A bit of light relief - you're barred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Derek R. said: "We are" you banned? Were you banned! He probably wasn't old enough. Can't believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 6 hours ago, alan_fincher said: I doubt it would have had the vent whilst fitted with a Russel Newbery engine, those being water cooled, of course. The first air cooled engine fitted would have been the Armstrong Siddeley "Peregrine", (i.r.AS3), fitted in January 1957, this being replaced in turn by several 3 cylinder Listers. The photo showing the icebreaker, alongside Wyvern's Heather Belle and Elizabeth has to be from the mid 1950s, as they did not have Elizabeth long, (from memory limited to about 1954 to 1956, but I'd need to check). if it was Sickle in the photo, (which I doubt), it would still have had the Russel Newbery. The dates will be the defining factors as well as knowing what engines were in at the time. Were the RN engines fitted with central exhausts? and in front of the pigeon box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, Ray T said: A bit of light relief - you're barred. I like the last one . . . ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) On 02/10/2022 at 15:51, merline said: Talking of Chris Pink and Kestrel... https://www.facebook.com/groups/292859678589451/permalink/803339687541445/ Speaking of which - one from my own collection, sorry - can't remember the year. I think the knitting session was disturbed. Edited October 3, 2022 by Derek R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 48 minutes ago, Ray T said: A bit of light relief - you're barred. Great adverts, thanks!! Never seen them, not having a telly. Puts me in mind of the (related) joke: William Shakespeare walks into a pub and asks for a pint of ale. The landlord says "NO!! You're BARD". I'll get me coat.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUMPY Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 17 hours ago, zenataomm said: In 1968 you could buy a pint of beer for half a crown or two large wrapped, sliced loaves! Beer was only 1/11 where I used to drink And I was under age 😱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Loddon said: Beer was only 1/11 where I used to drink And I was under age 😱 I remember getting banned from my local when my mates all bought me a pint. The Landlord asked what the occasion was, I said it was my 18th birthday and he blew up in a rage and threw me out, as I'd been drinking in there for best part of a year (since passing my driving test actually!) In those days rather like now, underage drinking it wasn't regarded as a heinous offence by the perpetrators, but latterly I realise I must have been putting his license at risk and him at risk of prosecution for not checking my age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 I can remember on a BCN Society working party when I was aged 17, buying a lunchtime pint of lager for the eleven year old who was with us. He was precocious for his age and his parents were very liberal, but even so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilllearning Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Loddon said: Beer was only 1/11 where I used to drink And I was under age 😱 1970 in my local Gales pub, light mild was 11d in the saloon, 10d in the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimYoung Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 In 1972, in Leeman Road Working Men's Club in York, beer was 9 1/2P a pint. One could be quite ill for a £1. I was there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUMPY Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, TimYoung said: In 1972, in Leeman Road Working Men's Club in York, beer was 9 1/2P a pint. One could be quite ill for a £1. I was there! 1968/9 £1 a week pocket money: Take girlfriend to cinema Put petrol in my bike to last the week Down the pub for a few beers. Tell that to the youngsters and they look at you in disbelief 🥱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 22 minutes ago, Loddon said: 1968/9 £1 a week pocket money: Take girlfriend to cinema Put petrol in my bike to last the week Down the pub for a few beers. Tell that to the youngsters and they look at you in disbelief 🥱 ... cardboard box in t' middle o't road ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Tee Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Never mind the pocket money, you had pockets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Mac Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, David Mack said: I can remember on a BCN Society working party when I was aged 17, buying a lunchtime pint of lager for the eleven year old who was with us. He was precocious for his age and his parents were very liberal, but even so... There is a famous story from PFCS days when the working party was getting ready for the 100 boat Rally in Manchester Piccadilly. The WP had retired to the pub (The Crown Hotel on Deansgate, central Manchester) for the evening, the landlady approached my sister (aged 14 at the time) and asked her to keep young Kelly (aged 11) in the back room rather than chatting with the customers at the bar. This happened when she had gone to the bar to get the round in. She duly came back with Chris and the beers, and told us grown ups? (I was just 18) in the back room the story. - how times have changed. He had gone to help carry the beers back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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