Derek R. Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 A boat grasping the straws of history. Barely. Precious little to 'save', and enormous expense to correct the ample errors of judgement carried out over the years. Doubtless DIWE & BWB made use of it for a while, but the back end; fore end; and that entire cabin have sealed its fate. I see NBOC have it as originally being built as a 'motor' as early as 1907? Yet as DRUNKEN DUCK a build date as 1924. It's clearly had a tortured life. Or should that be 'torchered'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 21 minutes ago, Derek R. said: I see NBOC have it as originally being built as a 'motor' as early as 1907? Also quotes a build date of 1924, which sounds more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEngo Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 Does not look much like a Lister engine to me either. If it was 1938 I would expect either CE or JP. Both have variable compression and I cannot see the wheels to change it. Nor does the rocker cover look right. Any ideas? Key start Bolinder? 1958 not 1938? N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWM Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 17 hours ago, alan_fincher said: Impressive that the seller can't actually spell the name of the boat! Bizarre, as they only need look at the side of the boat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Priest Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 15 hours ago, magnetman said: Thats not an FM&C stern. Odd boat. Wrong bow and wrong stern. Maybe the bit in the middle is original? I’ve just been looking at this, and the back does actually appear to be original. Under the rear porthole you can see the ends of the original guards, the top guard and a short length of the counter bottom guard below it. The guard that now goes around the counter is a newer one, the top line of which follows the line of the bottom of the old one. If you zoom it you can see the pitting which would have been behind the old guard, and you can also see where the rivet holes have been welded up. You can also see the top of a plate welded on to increase the depth of the counter ( and thus decrease the draft ) which has changed the overall look of the counter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 I stand corrected. It was the depth which threw me. I'm sure you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Priest Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 hour ago, magnetman said: I stand corrected. It was the depth which threw me. I'm sure you are right. Yes, with the increase in the depth and the guard lowered it has a look of one of the post war counters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merline Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225186559578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=pH6IcqkfSOm&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=1ORLvjsaRtO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagedamager Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 100 years old....... hmm....... fingers crossed she finds a sympathetic home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 I think thats wooden nurser Hazel. still appears to have SR 3 though i remember a 2 back in the 80s Remember towing her fast to Uxbridge dock in 1981 when she had a water ingress related incident and the sr2 was in bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagedamager Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 It is indeed Hazel. Due some serious planking work I think. When mum and dad raised her at Trent Lock in 1993 there were some soft planks then which were still evident when we looked at her at Pigeons Lock about ten years ago. Tenner they're still there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Maybe the "softness" gave way to Bramble growth. HAZEL was up for sale some time back. I recall seeing it around Hemel/Berko one time. Might have been when I was still on the buses, or it may have been later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 3 hours ago, stagedamager said: It is indeed Hazel. Due some serious planking work I think. When mum and dad raised her at Trent Lock in 1993 there were some soft planks then which were still evident when we looked at her at Pigeons Lock about ten years ago. Tenner they're still there I too remember Hazel at Pigeon's Lock for months, but this was only five or six years ago. I seem to remember seeing about a four foot section of the hull being cut away amidships on one side by someone to get an Aga or similar out of the boat. Or that may have been a dream as there seems to be no evidence of this in the photos. Or maybe that was the other Hazel. There are two wooden Hazels IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagedamager Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Just now, MtB said: I too remember Hazel at Pigeon's Lock for months, but this was only five or six years ago. I seem to remember seeing about a four foot section of the hull being cut away amidships on one side by someone to get an Aga or similar out of the boat. Or that may have been a dream as there seems to be no evidence of this in the photos. Or maybe that was the other Hazel. There are two wooden Hazels IIRC. I think that was on the Lee and Stort and was Big Ricky Taunton?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, stagedamager said: I think that was on the Lee and Stort and was Big Ricky Taunton?? No I've never been there. I was hanging around the southern Oxford a lot about six years ago and remember repeatedly passing Hazel CMing on the VMs just below Pigeons. Then one day there was a big hole in the cabin side with the top two hull planks sawn out too. Having looked at the photos I'm convinced this must have been a dream as there is no evidence there now. Unless the photos are more than six years old. The boat looked a right mess back then too, just like in the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagedamager Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 A shame it was done to two boats if that's the case. She's crying out to be loved, rebuilt and put back into working trim. Not many Nurser butties around which retain the majority of their lines?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Lifting her might be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagedamager Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 In that condition yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 The 'other' HAZEL is a Wooden header. I believe it has been the subject of a restoration up near Dukinfield IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted October 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 53 minutes ago, MtB said: No I've never been there. I was hanging around the southern Oxford a lot about six years ago and remember repeatedly passing Hazel CMing on the VMs just below Pigeons. Then one day there was a big hole in the cabin side with the top two hull planks sawn out too. Having looked at the photos I'm convinced this must have been a dream as there is no evidence there now. Unless the photos are more than six years old. The boat looked a right mess back then too, just like in the photos. I'm fairly certain that 6 years ago Hazel was already out of water at Clifton Cruisers. I'm not great with the passage of time, but I'd say it has been there 7, or possibly even 8 years. We ate meal with its owners, who had ambitious plans, and seemed to be realistic and practical, not dreamers. A shame it didn't work out. I'm sure that when we saw it then that it had not been butchered to liberate an Aga, or similar. As already stated this is the Samuel Barlows Nurser built Hazel, quite different from the one that has been put back in action by the Wooden Canal Boat Society, on the Ashton. Amongst its very varied history it was actually a hire boat for Wyvern Shipping Company in the early 1970s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagedamager Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 It popped up on my Facebook memories last week ironically that we went to Pigeons Lock to look at her. That was 11 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merline Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) Talking of Chris Pink and Kestrel... https://www.facebook.com/groups/292859678589451/permalink/803339687541445/ Edited October 2, 2022 by merline Added information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 Here's Hazel, sitting at Clifton Cruisers, been there half a dozen or so years. Clifton upon Dunsmore, England - Google Maps https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3797787,-1.2357688,3a,75y,271.99h,67.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suo9-JXbp6s2BSP2vW7xwLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted October 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 2 hours ago, merline said: Talking of Chris Pink and Kestrel... https://www.facebook.com/groups/292859678589451/permalink/803339687541445/ Unlike the Apollo Duck advert, (so far not amended), this one shows a pairing with Mallard, (i.e. not Greenfinch). In the image taken at Linslade, (where it appears as Wyvern Shipping's Elizabeth, is anybody able to positively identify the Middle Northwich icebreaker/tug, please? I'm sure it is either Sickle or Theophilus, and am pretty confident it is Theophilus rather that Sickle. I would dearly like evidence that proves that, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 hour ago, alan_fincher said: Unlike the Apollo Duck advert, (so far not amended), this one shows a pairing with Mallard, (i.e. not Greenfinch). In the image taken at Linslade, (where it appears as Wyvern Shipping's Elizabeth, is anybody able to positively identify the Middle Northwich icebreaker/tug, please? I'm sure it is either Sickle or Theophilus, and am pretty confident it is Theophilus rather that Sickle. I would dearly like evidence that proves that, though. Theophilus worked as a hire boat for Wyvern for some years, only lost its hire cabin top around 2015 at Glascote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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