Historic Boats for sale online

[alan_fincher]

1 hour ago, Derek R. said:

I don't have a problem with "thread drift", but I'd like to hear more about TYCHO sale.

It has just passed us on "Sickle" and "Flamingo" at Nether Heyford, with Matt at the tiller.  They are not hanging about!

Edited to add a second picture taken by my other half.

 

Edited February 16, 2020 by alan_fincher

[Ray T]

2 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Thanks for the explanation, but let's get this straight...

 

The museum doesn't get any external funding, but can't sell off the boats they can't look after as this means external funding will stop. Have I got this straight?! !!

 

 

 

 

It does. Article from Towpath Feb 2020.

Edited February 16, 2020 by Ray T

[Derek R.]

Thank you Alan. I wonder if the Parrotts are delivering, or taking her back. Time will tell.

[David Mack]

3 hours ago, alan_fincher said:

It has just passed us on "Sickle" and "Flamingo" at Nether Heyford, with Matt at the tiller.  They are not hanging about!

Edited to add a second picture taken by my other half.

 

 

Shame you couldn't get a picture with Tycho and Sickle in the same shot.

[Athy]

7 minutes ago, David Mack said:

 

Shame you couldn't get a picture with Tycho and Sickle in the same shot.

From memory, A.F. has previously published at least one.

[furnessvale]

31 minutes ago, David Mack said:

 

Shame you couldn't get a picture with Tycho and Sickle in the same shot.

You three!  Get that big lump of steel cut off the front!  You'll have somebody's eye out!  ?

[BilgePump]

Just saw this on ebay. Half an old GU boat ad says?

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/48-Foot-Narrow-Boat-Project-Liveaboard-NO-RESERVE/223913684489

[BWM]

49 minutes ago, BilgePump said:

Just saw this on ebay. Half an old GU boat ad says?

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/48-Foot-Narrow-Boat-Project-Liveaboard-NO-RESERVE/223913684489

Half of a 100 foot long butty! 

[pete harrison]

49 minutes ago, BilgePump said:

Just saw this on ebay. Half an old GU boat ad says?

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/48-Foot-Narrow-Boat-Project-Liveaboard-NO-RESERVE/223913684489

This is the fore end of ORION, last sold via Ebay in mid August 2019.

[Parahandy]

53 minutes ago, BilgePump said:

Just saw this on ebay. Half an old GU boat ad says?

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/48-Foot-Narrow-Boat-Project-Liveaboard-NO-RESERVE/223913684489

Whats it worth £15 to £20k ?

[pete harrison]

1 minute ago, BWM said:

Half of a 100 foot long butty! 

This is one of several errors in the advert - ORION was built with a nominal length of 71'6'' in common with other Grand Union Canal Carrying Company Ltd. narrow boats.

 

The engine is a 3 cylinder (FR3M) rather than 2 cylinder and its serial number dates to 1954 rather than 1957.

 

I have texted the seller, so the advert might change 

[BilgePump]

14 minutes ago, pete harrison said:

This is the fore end tof ORION, last sold via Ebay in mid August 2019.

is it perhaps then that the buyer has just realised that they have taken on custondianship of something needing constant maintenance and not the best liveaboard for significant other and dog?

[pete harrison]

2 minutes ago, Parahandy said:

Whats it worth £15 to £20k ?

ORION sold in mid August 2019 for the maiden bid @ £7500 

 

edit - add boat name.

Edited February 16, 2020 by pete harrison

[Parahandy]

1 minute ago, pete harrison said:

Sold in mid August 2019 for the maiden bid @ £7500 

You cant complain at that money .

[BWM]

2 minutes ago, BilgePump said:

is it perhaps then that the buyer has just realised that they have taken on custondianship of something needing constant maintenance and not the best liveaboard for significant other and dog?

I can see how that would work, it looks lovely inside but looking at the little hull shown in the pictures you see a tired wooden hull that almost certainly leaks.

[alan_fincher]

2 hours ago, David Mack said:

Shame you couldn't get a picture with Tycho and Sickle in the same shot.

Some past examples...

 

 

[Derek R.]

2 hours ago, Athy said:

From memory, A.F. has previously published at least one.

There is one that shows an identical image, but two comparative images one above the other.

Years ago SICKLE when still on maintenance, was tied to the towpath somewhere below Cow Roast, and I tied TYCHO alongside. I took a shot of them side by side with my Olympus using 35mm colour film. I never got the film processed, and we moved house. When I eventually went to take the film out, I had forgotten to rewind it back into the spool - and opened the back. Lost the lot!

 

A Middle Northwich mini-fest!

 

 

 

I should add: I think the last images were taken by Dave Parrott, so credit to Dave.

Edited February 16, 2020 by Derek R.

[Pluto]

8 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Thanks for the explanation, but let's get this straight...

 

The museum doesn't get any external funding, but can't sell off the boats they can't look after as this means external funding will stop. Have I got this straight?! !!

 

They would be unable to get any local authority funding, which I think they get from time to time, and HLF probably wouldn't give them anything if the were not registered.

[Tim Lewis]

9 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Thanks for the explanation, but let's get this straight...

 

The museum doesn't get any external funding, but can't sell off the boats they can't look after as this means external funding will stop. Have I got this straight?! !!

 

 

 

 

Not correct. Accredited museums can dispose of artefacts however they have to follow procedures, if you have a lot of time you can read the Museums Association Disposal Toolkit:

 

https://www.artscouncil.org.uk/sites/default/files/download-file/Disposal_Toolkit.pdf

 

 

[Paddle]

On 15/02/2020 at 20:31, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

It still seems terribly 'dog-in-the-manger' of them to refuse to let any of their charges pass back into private, wealthy enthusiast ownership given they can't afford to look after them themselves. 

 

 

Unfortunately those are the rules for museums. Otherwise they'd perpetually be selling off exhibits to pay for new visitor centres... Selling artefacts can mean that museums lose their Arts Council England accreditation status and put them out of the running for future Government grants. Remember the fuss when Northampton Museum sold its ancient Egyptian statue at Christies for £16m - and lost its accreditation status for five years. Worth it for £16m, not worth it for the £15k that they'd get for BIRCHILLS. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/10/northampton-borough-council-sells-egyptian-statue-sekhemka

 

I do think though that a wooden boat sagging slowly in a shed is a better bet for a museum than one that's been sunk for years. Unfortunately curators like to think the cash will eventually turn up to fix them, hence leaving them sunk where they won't deteriorate too quickly - rather than rescuing them when they still look like a boat.

 

Hendon is superb. There's even a Sunderland you can go onboard. I couldn't decide if it was huge or tiny, but one thing was for certain it would have been draughty. They've got their own wooden boat problems, stored outside, decaying slowly - RAF launches. I haven't been to Duxford in years, but it was excellent. So is HMS BELFAST. The IWM itself was rather destroyed with its major revamp about three years ago, completely dumbed down.

 

Anyway, what happened to CHILTERN and the other boats in the first 'deaccessioning' by the Museum?

[RLWP]

On 15/02/2020 at 21:38, zenataomm said:

I think his figures are passable, maybe even on the conservative side

 

Talking to the people who restored Hazel, they are very conservative indeed

 

Richard

[Jrtm]

27 minutes ago, Paddle said:

Unfortunately those are the rules for museums. Otherwise they'd perpetually be selling off exhibits to pay for new visitor centres... Selling artefacts can mean that museums lose their Arts Council England accreditation status and put them out of the running for future Government grants. Remember the fuss when Northampton Museum sold its ancient Egyptian statue at Christies for £16m - and lost its accreditation status for five years. Worth it for £16m, not worth it for the £15k that they'd get for BIRCHILLS. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/10/northampton-borough-council-sells-egyptian-statue-sekhemka

 

I do think though that a wooden boat sagging slowly in a shed is a better bet for a museum than one that's been sunk for years. Unfortunately curators like to think the cash will eventually turn up to fix them, hence leaving them sunk where they won't deteriorate too quickly - rather than rescuing them when they still look like a boat.

 

Hendon is superb. There's even a Sunderland you can go onboard. I couldn't decide if it was huge or tiny, but one thing was for certain it would have been draughty. They've got their own wooden boat problems, stored outside, decaying slowly - RAF launches. I haven't been to Duxford in years, but it was excellent. So is HMS BELFAST. The IWM itself was rather destroyed with its major revamp about three years ago, completely dumbed down.

 

Anyway, what happened to CHILTERN and the other boats in the first 'deaccessioning' by the Museum?

Chiltern was cut up, I think only the bow still exists. No idea what happened to the iron work.

[Parahandy]

https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-tugs/627648

 

Browsing earlier and came across this " last of the working Boats " ?

[doratheexplorer]

18 minutes ago, Parahandy said:

https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-tugs/627648

 

Browsing earlier and came across this " last of the working Boats " ?

"Sentinel is a 70ft trad style tug narrow boat in excellent condition. November 2019 survey certificate available
Completed in 1976 she was one of the last working boats launched in the UK carrying port barrels from Bristol until she was decommissioned in 1981."

 

Can this be true?

[Tim Lewis]

1 minute ago, doratheexplorer said:

"Sentinel is a 70ft trad style tug narrow boat in excellent condition. November 2019 survey certificate available
Completed in 1976 she was one of the last working boats launched in the UK carrying port barrels from Bristol until she was decommissioned in 1981."

 

Can this be true?