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  1. It could be 57ft 6in long as it was an A&CN short boat, rather than a L&LC short boat. That said, I don't know if the A&CN had boats specifically for the Bradford Canal trade. Having checked in the A&CN boat records I have, the following are the iron boats which they kept post 1921. A&CN iron fly boats on company’s books after 1921 1, short, built 1876, coal boat 5, long, built 1879 8, long, built 1877 10, long, built 1877 11, long, built 1877 12, long, built 1877 13, long, built 1878 14, long, built 1879 20, long, built 1877 21, short, built?, coal boat 27, short, built 1869, June 32, long, built 1871 59, barge, built 1875 60, barge, built 1875 61, barge, built 1875 62, barge, built 1875 68, short, built 1876, Pauline 73, long, built 1876 81, barge, built 1877 85, short, built 1878, Fair Maiden 94, long, built 1879 95, long, built 1879 96, long, built 1879 97, long, built 1879 99, long, built 1879, lengthened 1913, Water Wanderer
  2. I have just been sorting some of my digital archive, and have found these: a BW plan and section from 1986, and one from the 1838 Allgemeine Bauzeitung, with a translation of the text which went with it. 1838 General Building Journal.pdf
  3. The photo dates from 1956, when Coronation Road School, Crosby, hired Crucis, Plover and Darlington, for a trip to Boston, with 25 people on each boat. No on-board toilets seem to have been provided! A BBC crew started filming the trip, but the programme was cancelled. A newspaper report suggests they averaged about 80 miles per day, so no hanging about.
  4. The problem I have with such programmes is that I get telephoned by a researcher, spend an hour or so giving detailed and up-to-date historical information, and then they totally ignore it because it doesn't fit with the directors 'ideas'. When they used film, directors had a clear script to follow, nowadays the script is on the back of a fag packet and they take vast amounts of digital video and make it up when it comes to editing.
  5. The usual TV twaddle, completely lacking a detailed understanding of canal and industrial history, which could then be refined into something entertaining.
  6. This is the oldest Rochdale paddle gear I found when researching the paddle gear in 2004. It is on the water supply at Summit West. The ground plan of the stand is identical to the remaining indentations on some locks where new paddles have been installed. The XL file lists all the different types I found, and whether the lock had intermediate gate recesses for C&HN length boats. paddle:lock details.pdf You may find the text from my report on the Rochdale paddle gear of interest, along with incomplete detailed history of each lock. Lock details.pdf Report 2.docx
  7. Don't forget the Bridgewater six-planker motor conversions. I could only find this photo in the Waterways Archive collection. Note that the counter on Alice is formed by vertical planking fitted around the conventional horse boat stern.
  8. When discussing heritage and how to restore a historic structure, it is important to realise there was change over time, and restoration needs to be as at a specific date to be really worthwhile. At one time, I did suggest that three lock sites on the L&LC should be identified for restoration to how they were at a specific time. This could then be used for interpreting the canal's history, both for boaters and towpath users. Unfortunately this would be more expensive than simply using 'standard' gates. BW's engineers did have long discussions on how to develop standard gates in 1959/1960. As I have mentioned previously, I wrote a report on surviving lock gate drawings back in 2007, but it is too large to attache here, at 47Mb. I will attach a couple of drawings, one for a BCN gate, and one for an early Rochdale gate.
  9. Having checked through my collection Leigh Branch 1819 and 1821 Maps suggests one lock at Dover 7ft 2in, and one at Plank Lane 8ft 1826 Survey shows two locks at Dover and one at Plank Lane 1901 First Poolstock lock built. 1905 Lock at Leigh at junction with Bridgewater propose under MSC Bill. 1915 Plank Lane Lock removed. 1916 Second lock at Poolstock built. 1927 Only one lock at Dover, so probably removed sometime in the early 1920s. 1950s Final Dover Lock removed. The attached map appears to be the first in this sort of format, dating from 1884. The next is probably from the early 1890s, and includes the section, which was done for the Winterburn scheme application to Parliament originally circa 1890. Most of the non-L&LC material was removed, though some railways remained, as per Canalmaps example. A later version, with fewer railways, the table of Acts removed, and an outline of St Paul's inserted in the section was then created, possibly in the early 1900s. On some maps, the three branches (Leigh, Rufford and Bradford) are included in the sections, in some editions they are removed. The second map is smaller, and from the Leigh branch section, which is possibly incorrect, the date is circa 1915. The White family worked for the L&LC for many years: 1870, 1 Mar, Charles White engineer 1897, 18 Nov, Charles White retires and R H White appointed engineer 1907, 28 May, R H White dies, A W Stansfield appointed general manager & engineer 1925, 18 Nov, Robert Davidson appointed
  10. It will be a copy originally from the L&LC office in Liverpool. I have seen other archive material with the same cover. The map itself seems to have originated around 1890, when they were looking to improve Liverpool to Burnley to 100 ton standard. There is also an approx A3 map from this time, and they were used, for example, to promote Winterburn reservoir construction and the 1891 Act. The map was up-dated as subsidence affected the Leigh arm. Your map probably dates from around 1920, following the construction of the second Poolstock lock, and the removal of Plank Lane Lock. I would suspect that John Freeman gave the map to the IWA during an office clear-out, such as the move to Wigan in the early 1970s. The map is not particularly rare, and I have come across a number of examples, often rolled and uncut, in several archives. BW did have new examples printed circa 1970, and the transparent copy used for printing is in the Waterways Archive. The company also produced two booklets; one in the 1920s showing which carrier to use for specific general cargo trade after the company's carrying fleet and traffics had been divided between four private companies. These were coerced to form Canal Transport Ltd in 1930, and in the mid-1930s a map book showing businesses using the canal was produced, and I had an A5 copy printed for sale on Kennet some 15 or so years ago, now sold out. The GUC had a similar book printed.
  11. The Barcroft semi-submersible propellor was tried out in the 1890s, mainly in Ireland.
  12. Yes, with what became a brewery being built on the left, and the new turnpike to Bradford crossing the canal.
  13. He painted a couple of L&LC views as well, of which this is one, but where?
  14. The drawings are probably in Warwickshire County Record Office, which holds some of the records from Hatton Yard (I think). Shropshire RO holds those from Ellesmere Yard. The best search engine for UK records is https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk
  15. If you follow this: https://heritage.ecoledesponts.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10481216f.r=écluse?rk=21459;2 you shou;ld get some nice lock drawings, some 18th century.
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