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BilgePump

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  1. The boat and cruising plan combination seem a very bad idea. It could work if the boat stayed in a marina 90% of the time, with access to shore power, nice showers, washing machines, cafe, amenities etc. and the boat itself was only really used as a sleeping/loo/quick meal prep type of floating pod. I knew a guy at a marina I was in did just that on a tiny 19' yacht, but he was young, enthusiastic, and could work from anywhere on his laptop so spent most of the day in various workspaces, cafes etc. CCing on rivers is not easy in even a far more suitable boat; members with far more experience than me will attest to that. The boat from the photo looks so small it may well not have standing headroom; that's not good. Mine doesn't and I would only want to live on it if the alternative was a park bench in the rain. Like MtB said it won't be insulated in a manner suited to liveaboard use. Winter cruising on a boat like that is pretty hardcore. Cold, damp and confined. The fact that you mention his balance and age suggest that he's a little cautious about substantial movement, but that's what all boats do. It's easy enough to get a big narrowboat rocking with a foot on the gunwale and one on the bank. This is a smallish boat that will certainly rock on a river, not that it's a bad boat, just what it will do. It's such a tiny boat, that even apart from any safety concerns, once someone's living essentials are onboard, cramming an extra couple of kids in for even a few days, without marina facilities isn't going to be great fun. I'm a big fan of GRP boats and they can be suitable for liveaboard use, but this boat, the cruising plan and person's age and lack of experience don't seem wise.
  2. It seems that hire companies will say 'don't know, can't prove' whether it's a road vehicle or a boat. They will do anything to avoid a successful claim when one of their plain idiots or criminals do something. When I had some old stone flags stolen from my house by scallies in a Transit van from a local but large hire company (heard them with prybars, yelled, they got a couple, got a picture of them all), the hire company basically told me and the police to sod off. The young sh!t on the phone from the hire company at 8am when it happened, laughed and told me that there is zero responsibility to provide information; well I hope he crashed his own car into a wall. Cops didn't give a crap about their 'we don't know' response, despite the neighbouring business having some CCTV to boot. PS: Not naming the company because in my older age I would like to take up tyre slashing and retribution as a hobby! eta: PPS: The PS was a joke, Not sure how literally some people take posts 🙂
  3. Those new locks that they built last decade are pretty bloomin' big 'The new lock chambers are 180 ft (54.86 m) wide, 1,400 ft (426.72 m) long, and 60 ft (18.29 m) deep.' A bit of back of the fag packet maths says you could fit around 500 x 70' narrowboats in each one!
  4. Did you authorise them to take the licence in one annual hit or is it a monthly direct debit and these little ones are extra to the normal monthly DD? Seems strange either way. I'm on monthly for licence and mooring (different dates) but nothing else (touch wood) seems to be leaking out to CaRT.
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  7. ruthful - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ruthless
  8. The Caspian Sea could be considered a low sea. About 70'+ below sea level, and forecast to get lower and shrink. Inland lake or fully fledged low sea has big consequences re international waters. eta: I think Noah found out what the high seas were, but that's nowt to do with international treaties and conventions on oil extraction, fishing rights, naval movements, drugs/human smuggling, piracy etc. My boating's never going to take me into international waters so not something I need worry about.
  9. Anyone seen this census yet? Just had an email from CaRT saying that they'll send me a unique link next week. I asssume going out in batches avoids twenty thousand boaters all connecting to it at the same time. The email does say that 'the census survey questions will direct people to different follow-on questions depending on the answers you select. It’s too complicated to replicate this is a paper survey, but if anyone doesn’t have access to complete the census online, please get in touch and we will try to arrange to complete the census survey with them over the phone.' but just how you would get a unique code without them having your phone number or email in the first place, I don't know.
  10. You may be on to something there. Can't stand coke so don't drink it, had Covid more than once. Looks like coke with bleach chasers was the answer all along.
  11. Your superstructure moulding is not the Mk 1 or Mk 4 from the brochures but does look like the boats in between. The top of the boat 'White Elephant' looks the same as yours, a Mk 2/3, but with the windows just in a different order, either out of layout preference or to emulate the new Mk 4 (identifiable by the step down in the superstructure moulding with the two small forward windows above it on each side). I suspect that the boat identified as a Mk 3, the white one pictured in my post above, has a non standard rear window, either at build or as a later enlargement of the original. Your window layout looks more in keeping with the slanted window theme of the time. If this puts the boat around the very late sixties then a few years to get it to water would still account for the discrepancy with engine age, or someone may just have blown/replaced their original one after a few years, not unknown. I hope someone can help you with details for the engine and date of manufacture
  12. The boat 'White Elephant' identified as a Mk4 on one page, has a different superstructure moulding to the one identified by the Norman brochure on another as a Mk 4, but the same style windows! https://normanboats.net/cdgallery/app/web/upload/large/2_e7669949720b51393cc67e6ce0531401.jpg Your boat seems to have a superstructure moulding more like the white one below, identified as a Mk 3, but that is certainly up for debate as there doesn't appear to be a brochure scan with a Mk 3. It was probably possible at the time to get discounted older stock windows with a newer boat moulding or new windows to go in a discounted end of Mk moulding. You could get an out-of-the-catalogue current standard model from them for their boats but going directly to factory it was possible to get all sorts of offers, old stock, bare mouldings, imperfect mouldings, custom build, optional extras etc. For every 'standard' boat, there are by now probably even more 'non-standard' ones. People have hacked them, changed windows etc to a lot of boats but your windows look like an appropriate original style/shape to the superstructure moulding.
  13. Cross posted before seeing your pics, but they do confirm what I was thinking. It does look like you say, the windows from a Mk 4, but the moulding on the superstructure looks more like the one identified as a Mk 3 (which isn't a definitive identification on the website).
  14. Having realised that you've got a picture of your boat in your user pic, it does look more like the window and superstructure configuration of what is identified as a 22' Mk 3 on the page linked above. As the Mk 1 was available in 1967 and the 22' Mk 4 was being sold in the pre-decimal era (according to brochures at that website), then safe to assume that your hull is in that range. It's important to remember that you could just get basic mouldings from Norman and complete at home DIY. It could well have been that someone took a few years to get it ready for launch and the motor is original to the boat but a few years younger than the hull.
  15. Good call. It's got character and easily repairable. When you get a few flowerpots on the boat, you can go all Monty Don spraying them.
  16. I've got a Ladyline guide to the Shropshire Union canal in front of me here, from late '72 or early '73. On the back cover is an advert for Norman boats. The pictured boat is a Norman '23 Mk 1 that looks like yours, within the '72-'77 range for the engine manufacture. However, of course your boat could be one of the earlier '22 models, not easy to tell without being able to see the side windows. Good page at https://normanboats.net/range/norman_range.htm for differentiating all the Callumraft/Normans.
  17. Possibly a bit of both. Any briefing, even a morning or afternoon, is going to cover information at a rapid rate of knots and at a relatively basic level. Any complete newbie will be bamboozled by the basics when they come at such a speed. Even a VHF licence requires you to read and know the course book in advance and then do a full day course/exam. Anyone who pays their money (hirer or private) can take ten tons plus through a lock, cill themselves and cause chaos with only minimal prior experience.
  18. Have seen this kind of green blanket appear for a few weeks in a couple of locations. Not convinced that pumps etc (and railings even less so) are a good use of resources just because such growth happens now and then and humans seem to have an innate appetite for stupidity. I fell into the river off the end of our submerged slipway at the club one year, trying to find the end of it, not for any reason just dumb curiosity! It shouldn't be necessary to fence off stuff where common sense says you shouldn't try and wander. They tried a ball, maybe have a 100 rubber ducks ready to be deployed when a weed bloom like this happens.
  19. The advert is, as you suspect, years old. Was modified on 28-Oct-17 at 17:57:52 BST, before the start of this thread, so guessing that this is a similar state to the one in which the OP viewed it. The OP doesn't appear to have been back on the forum in the past four years. Listings on sites like boats-from just scrape ebay etc and never remove the listings. The seller doesn't choose to list on there. Have seen listings on there for boats I bought or sold on ebay years ago. It's just a scraper site that tries to get affiliate fees from the click through to ebay.
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  21. Most boat owners/buyers firstly want to know that their boat won't sink. Anything else can be dealt with. Hence, most just need a hull survey when looking to buy, unless insurance or your own caution wants full one.
  22. I think that what you and I missed is the context of this boat move. Have only just realised that the OP has previously mentioned a boat for their child to also use as occasional accommodation as a student and is now looking to move their purchase to a suitable mooring near Nottingham. Lift it, shift it, put it in close to home mooring makes sense here.
  23. If the OP had the time and the engine was known to be reliable at high revs then this would make good sense. However, due to to their time constraints and the engine having recently been worked on, the road route and nearby launch ( @PD1964 mentioned Debdale Wharf or similar location with hoist on site to reduce cost) seems to work better in this scenario.
  24. I know, missed the post clarifying it as a 58'er, and like Harold when Lancaster is mentioned I can easily think of a 27' GRP cruiser
  25. Oops, sorry for missing the 58' NB bit. If you're not going to have the chance to get to know the boat before moving it, and find its faults and quirks, and are keen to have it moved by road, then I'd suggest trying to find a launch site close to your planned mooring, and ironing out any problems from there. It's not cheap, and the cranes are the big expense if you have to hire them for just your own boat
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