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BilgePump

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  1. BilgePump

    Christopher Chope, what an idiot...

    Any nasty piece of work who votes against a bill intended to stop filthy men from taking pictures up the skirts of women can only be regarded as an enabler of sex offenders. Seriously, I am a middle aged man not much younger than that f***ker and not only do we live in different worlds but we have completely different views on the way you treat, not only women, but fellow humankind.
  2. BilgePump

    Business Advertising on my Boat?

    Sorry to be late to this thread but thought this may be useful. The OP's question is answered to some extent in CRT's business boating T&Cs where it seems that any advertising on the boat is regarded as trading whether or not the trading is from the boat or not. It's buried on page 10 of https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/media/original/28089-business-licence-terms-and-conditions.pdf Roving Trader "Any boat used for trading in multiple locations. Includes boats used for the sale of goods and/or services, cargo carrying, and the provision of boat handling courses. Customers may board the boat in order to inspect or purchase goods (subject to insurance cover and holding a Non-private BSS certificate) when moored up, but the boat must never navigate with customers on board, except where the boat is licensed for boat handling courses. Advertising any kind of trading or business activity on or from the boat is deemed to be trading. If the boat is used for a business use that is not advertised anywhere on the boat and does not involve any deliveries to the boat or any customers visiting the boat (e.g. proof reading copy sent via email, writing wills) then its use is not deemed to be that of a Roving Trader. If the boat is used as a workshop to produce goods to be sold on the internet or at land based markets, then such use is deemed to be that of a Roving Trader." From this I inferred that if I work on the boat on a computer, eg running the admin for an online shop and the actual goods are not delivered to, stored on or sold from the boat and the online business makes no reference to the boat and the boat makes no reference to the business then all is okay with a standard non-business licence. Same goes for the online tutor/trainer whose abode is irrelevant as clients do not visit, just so long as the tutor/trainer does not advertise his/her professional skills on the side of the boat. Stick your business details on the side and it would appear that a roving trader licence is needed. Of course there seems to be the possibility of as many grey areas as clear ones. What about a small business that designs and supplies custom solar installations for boats and the owner lives on a boat but only does the design side from it and has no customers visiting? If each installation displays the supplier's business details and the business owner has not removed these details from the panels on his/her own boat then would that be regarded as 'advertising any kind of trading or business activity'? Are the panels a part of the boat? Is the wording of CRT quoted above suitably unambiguous to give a definitive answer to the question of whether a trading licence is need or not? It could well be argued not. The crux falls on the line 'Advertising any kind of trading or business activity on or from the boat is deemed to be trading' but is that to be interpreted as the advertising or the business activity itself that is on the boat? It just doesn't seem totally clear.
  3. BilgePump

    "Where do I get the compost?"

    A horse, a horse, that could supply the manure needed to answer their question.
  4. Hi and welcome to the forum. Although your question is 'buy new sailaway or secondhand fitted out' I guess any suggestions should really involve consideration of information we don't yet know. Will you start trading asap or wait until you can separate your living space and trading space onto the two boats? If one is to be a home and one for trading can it be assumed that they will stay together? What kind of trading boat is envisaged? Walk on or not, moored or continuously cruising? Possibly home mooring and then going out to trade on the cut for part of the time? If you are thinking of a boat that people can walk onto, as in a 'traditional shop', then as zenataomm and Jen have pointed out you will find it much more heavily regulated and expensive territory compared to the roving trader licence where no access is allowed and the boat's exterior is effectively a floating market stall of samples and price lists. Converting one boat into a walk-on 'traditional shop' whilst fitting out another from new would be an awful lot of work, whereas a secondhand boat ready to go and some minor changes to the original boat for roving trading would be an order of magnitiude less work. Some roving traders quite happily live and carry their stock in the same boat but I imagine two of you plus stock in 46ft would be a push so can understand your thinking about a second boat. However, I do wonder how many canal based itinerant businesses can sustain the costs of two boats. A budget of 28k would get a decent liveable 60ft boat from the nineties but you then have two licences, hulls, engines, gearboxes, blacking etc to worry about maintaining. Would it be possible to combine both in 60ft or 70ft? Only you know the type of stock that you will want to sell. Up to one ton of non-hazardous goods, not producing food or drink or waste should be relatively okay judging by CaRT's guidelines for applications. If you only trade in bubble wrap, a lot of space will be required. If you only sell silver pendants, the stock could fit in a small cupboard so do you really need the second boat to start off with? As you say that the new boat needn't be habitable straight away, should we infer that it will be possible to start trading using the existing boat or that you won't start trading from the 46' boat before the larger one is fully habitable? A DIY fit-out takes a long time and a not insignificant cost; having workers in to do most of it and you will start to see why new boats can be so expensive. I suspect that some quotes for the bespoke work you mention will be more than £500 here and there and overall finances could be spread too thin. If you buy a shell and start trading on the 46'er whilst still living on it but then decide it isn't working out then you will have a fairly stark choice. 1) pay for two boats whilst trying to scrimp together to finish the fitout, 2) sell the shell (at a loss) and stay on the 46'er, or 3) sell the 46'er and camp out in the 60' shell until you finish it. If you can start trading on the 46' boat whilst living on it then I'd suggest trying that first to test the market and see if it will sustain the boat and pay for your time. If it does, great, the inconvenience of being cramped will have allowed you to put some extra money away for the bigger boat. If the business doesn't work out well then not too much is wasted on the boat front. If you are set on two boats and won't/can't start trading until the second boat is habitable then I would suggest a secondhand boat that is ready to cruise. You could then make changes to it as finances and time allow or even consider upgrading to new. If business doesn't work out then at least the choice seems a lot less painful than being halfway through a fitout as both boats will be useable and saleable.
  5. BilgePump

    How does your garden grow?

    I made some wooden troughs out of 4x1 and 6x1 for our boat. They've managed three winters left on the roof and will be replanted again for this year. Wooden feet lift them an inch away from the roof and are gentle enough on the paintwork. To avoid dirt building up you will need to move them around occasionally and swill down the roof. There are a few low pipe bridges near us that are the killer for roof pots. One would flick the top of a small hyacinth plant with the soil level only eight inches above the roof. Strawberries, herbs, lettuce, rocket, watercress are all okay and dwarf tomatoes if you restrict height (Tiny Tim are good from seed). Just make sure the pots have a big enough footprint to resist wind or bridges acting on the plant being grown. A trough to contain a growbag is easy enough to make. Some of the veg you mention are great to grow in the ground but the yield from smallish pots will be a bit underwhelming I think. You will maybe get a dozen baby carrots from a twelve inch round pot if you are lucky. Four small beets. None of them will be big due to the lack of depth. Radishes are easy and fun and you can get a few crops over the season from the same space. Anything with lots of canes on the back deck or in the cratch is asking for someone to topple it over or get impaled on it. Climbing beans and sweet peas look great but they do get in the way. Of course, the pleasure is in growing it, the small crop will only account for a tiny fraction of your needs but it is the same as having fun pottering in a garden. There is a certain cathartic pleasure to be found in spending half an hour tending to the plants on a boat. The good thing about plants like strawberries and tomatoes is that you have the delicate flowers before the fruit. Have a few pretty flowers just for the sake of it. I'm amazed how even a very vanilla or tired boat can be jollified with a few colourful plants. Things like primulas and hyacinths will be on sale soon, both are cheap enough and look good. Summer and begonias, fuchsia, geraniums, petunias etc will all add colour.
  6. BilgePump

    Was my face red?

    I like that and my experience is of a similar nature to the OP's. Approaching Bugsworth turn off, coming from New Mills side, another boat I've passed many times before is coming towards me. I got overcautious so decided to reverse up a little bit and hey presto I'm slewed across the canal. Judging by the angle the boat ended at there was an acre of space to slip two NBs past each other through the gap. I'd just made a botch of judging it. Took a minute to get back in line and open up the gap again. So, along through comes Judith Mary with a full complement of elderly citizens, all enjoying the view from their tables. I looked at the skipper and put my head in my hand in apology and embarrassment. I bet I wasn't the first or last to have done that on him and touch wood haven't done it since.
  7. BilgePump

    How big an outboard

    A very serious consideration. On cabin cruisers, open boats etc designed for use with an outboard there's usually a dedicated locker for the fuel tank. This will be lacking on a narrowboat and I certainly wouldn't want to be storing a petrol tank in the cratch, engine bay, back deck or in the cabin. Some of the smaller outboards have an integral tank (a 2003 Yamaha 5hp I had had an integral tank aswell as a fuel line to a tank) but I doubt the integral tank would contain enough to get very far. I'm sure it would move you but stopping the boat would be a different matter. If home or boatyard is some distance away, I really doubt it is a good idea to be carrying enough petrol on the boat in less than ideal places. If home or boatyard will be within a few miles then a stern rope and centre rope are sufficient to tow the boat by hand and control it from the bank without the need for someone on the helm. Still takes some stopping but I'm under ten stone and have towed a 60ft NB in the past this way for a couple of miles
  8. BilgePump

    Man cave toilet roll holder...

    Always a plan, but plans go awry. Leave boat, go to pub, drink too much, walk back, that's where those hedges you mentioned will come in :-)
  9. BilgePump

    Man cave toilet roll holder...

    Some of the CRT ones make it look like a palace
  10. BilgePump

    Man cave toilet roll holder...

    That's a £200+ bog roll holder, propped up against a set of ladders. Quality. I want to put into a marina like that!
  11. BilgePump

    I think i am going to give it a go but ?

    Hell's bells, that is steep, and likely as you say to be a punitive charge intended to discourage boaters from getting in people from outside the marina. Somewhere like Preston which Wayne could cover seems more amenable. They ask for £3mil public liability and £5/day or £60/month licence per contractor. This is payable by the contractor.
  12. BilgePump

    Buying a boat

    Okay, not all there is, but a start before you look at their passport and find out that they are Mr Mitty from Neverland. Completing part of the transaction at a home address, verifiable by LR would give a greater degree of confidence, granted. But, what of the CCer who only has a courtesy mailbox on land and wants to trade their boat? What about someone like me? I've lived in my home for a decade but I don't own it. Council bills, yes, but LR, sorry. The sum in question is far more than I have ever paid for a boat so I can only think that a belt, braces, wellies and sowester approach to verifying everything about the seller and the boat would be advisable.
  13. BilgePump

    I think i am going to give it a go but ?

    A boatyard will charge upwards of £40+ VAT per hour for anything from jetwashing to engine rebuilds. Some is stuff we could do ourselves, some the magic known only to diesel whisperers. For general maintenance/handyman work I really don't think £150/7.5hr day is unreasonable before business overheads, NI, tax, down time between jobs, speccing jobs etc etc.
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    I think i am going to give it a go but ?

    I think once you get your name out there you will surprised how many North West jobs there could be. T&M and L&L to start with but there will be a lot more within an hour commute from you. Portfolio, shmortfolio, just tell tell them you have one of the most popular threads (probably the most popular non political one) on the most popular canal forum. As for marinas, obviously insurance is essential wherever (10mil in many) but load their extra charge onto the bill and your time for filling in three different forms. I bet it's amazing how quickly a boat will move 40ft to the towpath side. Saying that, I am now hoping that there isn't a by-law preventing tradesmen from carrying a bag of tools down the towpath to complete a small job on the interior of a boat.
  15. BilgePump

    Buying a boat

    Slightly harsh re ebay ads but fully agree that you must be able to see paperwork that stacks up. £500 GRP project would be fine without but when handing over £34k, everything has to tally. Having bought and sold a few boats on ebay, it can work well as a marketplace for genuine sellers and buyers. A month long ad on there for a NB will get over 10k views, a few hundred watchers and plenty of leads, far more than Apollo Duck. And they're not all dreamers as the OP here is proving
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