MtB Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 On 29/10/2017 at 18:37, mark99 said: Succinctly and logically put Peter. Yes. Mind you had I used a sound signal Alan would obviously known exactly what it meant. Had Alan sounded a signal I'd have been none the wiser. Just as I was with Kath's hand signal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 http://www.cram.com/flashcards/maritime-sound-signals-849664 Seldom used on the cut. But if venturing on rivers and tidal essential knowledge. (Not that any hire boaters on Thames would have a clue!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steilsteven Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 These are the sound signals used on the Thames and are handy to know at times such as when a commercial boat is signalling to you. Keith Sound Signals.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 On 10/8/2017 at 17:55, Admiral said: A butty for sale Apollo Duck Link On 10/8/2017 at 19:07, koukouvagia said: This is a very fine boat. Elegant lines and an interesting history. It'll be fascinating to see what a new owner will do with it. Mercury has a new owner. (If you don't know, they already own a Royalty motor that has guested on your mooring in recent times.....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 If both steerers automatically default to turning to their right then there is a not a problem in normal circumstances (boats in the course of navigation moving fast enough to cause a problem if a collision were to occur) because the collision will be avoided by the use of mutual boat handling knowledge. In other circumstances where boats are moving slowly or in the course of maneuvering on canals a collision would be seen as a non event anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Don't think this one has been mentioned. A real oddball, so I'll let you read the advert and decide whether it should appear in a thread about historic boats. One of the more unusual things on sale in a while, that's for certain. Betty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, alan_fincher said: Don't think this one has been mentioned. A real oddball, so I'll let you read the advert and decide whether it should appear in a thread about historic boats. One of the more unusual things on sale in a while, that's for certain. Betty. Struggling with this: So, she is being sold as a project, but once completed she will make either a fantastic home or a boat that can be cruised to historic rallies around the country and shown off as the only surviving Runcorn 6 planker (albeit now in steel) and because of her history she could probably and should be included in the Historic Ships register. If you want a unique piece of canal history then look no further than Betty. Edited November 11, 2017 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fittie Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 re Betty or should that be Oh Betty. Hmmmm? Like Ray T Struggling with this but then again it's not unlike some wooden boats where the only historic bits are the iron bits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie57 Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Saw this moving the other week - goes like a train, hardly moves any water, hard to believe it draws 32" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) I should imagine very few of today's preserved ex working boats are original, as their design life must have expired years ago. As a side I was reading recently about the preservation of U505 in the Chicargo Museum of Science and Industry, with the troubles they had with preserving the U boat as it was built with a design life of only 5 years as the metal was rapidly corroding. It is now in an underground climate controlled environment. Now I am not saying boats should be preserved in aspic as it is lovely to see them in their natural environment what ever their life history is. I do think it is sad when a recent boat put up for sale took some flack on here with one suggestion: I support somebody buying this boat and restoring it to its last incarnation with BWB. That is to say, throw the engine away, chop off both ends and turn it back into a bit of banking at Harecastle. The state this boat is now in is all part of its heritage surely? Beautifully kept it is too. One of the few boats I can think of, which must be as close to original as possible must be "Friendship?" But like U505 it is in a museum. Most if not all steam loco's certified for main line running bear altered resemblance to their build specifications. Most engine works were notorious for swapping parts, boilers, frames, tenders and names etc. Yet most people just love to see them running and accept their heritage as part and parcel of that. Why not the same with narrowboats? Edited November 11, 2017 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 The Josher moored beside it looks rather nice ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 54 minutes ago, alan_fincher said: Don't think this one has been mentioned. A real oddball, so I'll let you read the advert and decide whether it should appear in a thread about historic boats. One of the more unusual things on sale in a while, that's for certain. Betty. Surly this is a replica of Betty built in steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWM Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 23 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: Surly this is a replica of Betty built in steel. That is the only logical conclusion to arrive at, with an odd choice of engine to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 It's not an unattractive looking boat, but having sheathed the original wooden hull in steel, surely its overall width would be more than 6' 10"? And that "coal" fired AGA - a) it looks more like an oil fired version without the coal loading door above the ash pan door, and - b ) there's a wooden worktop placed directly on top of it. Regardless of what its fuelled by, as is, it's a waste of space only providing ballast at best. I'll wager they couldn't get it out of the boat, so are making a 'feature' of it. Still, not a bad looking boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. W. Walker Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 The Aga in this boat looks identical to one we had in our last house. Coke fired, not coal, you drop the coke in through a removable bung in the LH hotplate and not via a front door. This is quite an old one, similar to ours which was 1948, but they are very long lived beasts, our friends still use a similar one converted to oil firing, with a burner in what used to be the ashpan, the door at bottom left. As post above notes, they are really heavy, so make good ballast - or make the boat list! You can take them out, they do come apart quite easily, which is how I moved ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 I know for a fact that an important role of the Aga that was in "Betty" in the 1970s was an attempt to stop the hogging of the boat getting any worse. From memory, it was left running all seasons, so in the summer months it was stiflingly hot inside the cabin. My memory is not good enough to know if it was likely to have been the one pictued in tha ad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Don't know if has already been mentioned, but ENGLAND now reduced to £55,000 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 On 17/06/2017 at 14:42, koukouvagia said: Bellatrix is for sale (£50K) according to the latest edition of the HNBC magazine. Apologies if it's been advertised before. Does anybody know if BELLATRIX sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, pete harrison said: Does anybody know if BELLATRIX sold Yes Pete, it is now based at Lorenz's Bedford Basin, Leigh on the Bridgewater. Edited November 11, 2017 by Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Liam said: Yes Pete, it is now based at Lorenz's Bedford Basin, Leigh on the Bridgewater. Thank you. Does it still have a wooden bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 As far as I am aware yes and will probably remain so, knowing the new custodian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, Liam said: As far as I am aware yes and will probably remain so, knowing the new custodian. Good to know BELLATRIX is in safe hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggers Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 10 hours ago, pete harrison said: Good to know BELLATRIX is in safe hands Very safe hands. The new custodians are keen to keep her exactly as she is. It’s very nice to have her in the basin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X Alan W Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 Whilst it is a given that ex commercial boats ranging from 80years / to way over 100years old they will have had refurbishment but in most cases it is in keeping with the original shape outline Steel bottom replacing wood although not in the best spirit when the boat is in the water & if unconverted with shutts in the hold it's not a problem on the eye to have a wooden boat in original form & then plate on the outside or build a steel hull & then declare it an historic one off sort of stretches the belief why not list as a steel replica of a wooden 6 planker bit like having a blower Bentley Brooklands & fitting it with a GRP body It"s a rare boat why not list it as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bargemast Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/11/2017 at 20:43, Derek R. said: It's not an unattractive looking boat, but having sheathed the original wooden hull in steel, surely its overall width would be more than 6' 10"? And that "coal" fired AGA - a) it looks more like an oil fired version without the coal loading door above the ash pan door, and - b ) there's a wooden worktop placed directly on top of it. Regardless of what its fuelled by, as is, it's a waste of space only providing ballast at best. I'll wager they couldn't get it out of the boat, so are making a 'feature' of it. Still, not a bad looking boat. After having sheated the hull in steel, the wooden inside has been removed, so if they wanted it to be narrower, they could then have easily enough have pulled the sides a bit closer together before the continued with the fitout. I don't say that it has been done that way, but if it hasn't been, it could have been done without too much effort. Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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