Captain Pegg Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Not sure how you know that. I can't see a seller ID anywhere on the Theophilus ad. Who is it then? I didn’t categorically say it was but look at the similarities in the two adverts and note the boats listed in the profile of the person who drew our attention to Theophilus. JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Surely not. Are you kidding?!! The Chris you are thinking of owns a boat called Bunny, or Rabbit, or something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted July 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 50 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Chris? I thought he sold Baldock six or seven years ago. 43 minutes ago, RLWP said: You'll be amazed, I know - there is more than one person called Chris! ^^^^^^ Exactly this! Different Chris, but definitely a Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 hours ago, James Owen said: I agree Pete. Each owner be they commercial or private individuals has, and shall continue to do so, left their mark on these boats whilst under their respective tenures and I believe that is no bad thing. If every boat were 'as built' that would make for some tedious sights. I concede that budget restraints will ultimately decide on what degree of 'restoration' any boat is likely to undergo but that shouldn't, in this day and age and with the original present for use as a reference, affect the overall shape of the boat. As one boat builder put it "it's as flat as a witches t*t and all welded". Does that not make it sanitised? Most 'historic' boats are weld repaired and have been for donkeys years, riveting only becoming available again fairly recently by one or two specialist boatyards. Replication of shape should be fairly straight forward, especially when there are original examples to copy, so any boat that resembles the shape of a witches t*t is unfortunate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, pete harrison said: Most 'historic' boats are weld repaired and have been for donkeys years, riveting only becoming available again fairly recently by one or two specialist boatyards. And there is a lot of localised repair going on, which suits welding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted July 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) For those wondering what Theophilus looked like... Last time I saw it afloat, (compare it to its sister boat Sickle, alongside)... and I think the last time I saw it at Glascote.... Edited July 13, 2019 by alan_fincher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) That's the much hacked about original back end sitting in top of the boat. I know Chris has had some re-location issues around his work and home in Switzerland, but will leave it to him to make any further comment if he is inclined. THEOPHILUS was much changed from her 40' Ice boat in terms of cabin, and there was a massive amount of work to be done, much of which has been done. Age does not stop creeping up on any of us, and resources can be there one year, and changed the next. Hard choices may be needed. This is - like SICKLE & TYCHO, one of the few most beautiful hulls on the cut, and well worth the effort of finishing off. Middle Northwich boats are almost inimitable today, and building a replica would cost an awful lot of money - and it would still be a replica, not an original. And whilst originality will never be returned due to corrosion and alterations over the years, the same can be said of the majority of ex-working boats still around today. How many classic motor vehicles can boast their original bodywork and tin-ware? I feel some criticism has been aimed at the owner in this thread, but remember the old native N. American Indian saying: "Don't criticise the way a man walks, until you have walked a mile in his moccasins". Edited July 14, 2019 by Derek R. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) Two butties listed today https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-butty/611979 https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/bantock-bros-72-butty/611989 Though one is motorised. Edited July 15, 2019 by Admiral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Mooring didnt look like that when we had it.. sunk barrel with a plank on it in those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted July 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Renown was a very different looking boat when I first encountered it back in the early 1970s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Very different under Sue Cawsons ownership. Fastest butty on the cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Its not really a butty when you bear in mind it was built before motor narrow boats turned up. Its a horse boat. I owned one just the same as that (motorised with original stern) briefly about ten years ago. Without the steel lid. Wonderful, beautiful narrow boat. And yes it did shift. Superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 On 10/07/2019 at 18:20, pete harrison said: BALDOCK ? https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/harland-and-wolff-70-traditional/611438 F.M.C. Ltd. IVY https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-traditional/611528 ivy (in article) takes on virtually no water um it shouldn't take any! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 23 hours ago, magnetman said: Its not really a butty when you bear in mind it was built before motor narrow boats turned up. Its a horse boat. I owned one just the same as that (motorised with original stern) briefly about ten years ago. Without the steel lid. Wonderful, beautiful narrow boat. And yes it did shift. Superb. Yes of course you are right it was a horse boat. we had a motor created out of a yarwoods station boat for a while. It had a motor counter, and went like a rocket. Must be something to do with horse boat lines . Our Yarwoods motor never went anywhere near as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Williams Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 56 minutes ago, roland elsdon said: I owned one just the same as that (motorised with original stern) briefly about ten years ago. Without the steel lid. Wonderful, beautiful narrow boat. And yes it did shift. Superb. How was it for stopping? Without a counter. Serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted August 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Chiswick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) changed slot from the days of me boating with Mike. was not that long ago sence was last up for sale I thought at a sim price. at least this time it's not for sale trying to claim a full rebuild of the engine like last time, as I remember Mike having this done and that was well before he sold up and went to Scotland Edited August 9, 2019 by billybobbooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagedamager Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, billybobbooth said: changed slot from the days of me boating with Mike. was not that long ago sence was last up for sale I thought at a sim price. at least this time it's not for sale trying to claim a full rebuild of the engine like last time, as I remember Mike having this done and that was well before he sold up and went to Scotland Many a happy time on her. She worked as a camper for a while with Meteor for a while too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 yep she also did the gravel run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Nice looking boat, I've always admired her. For that price I'd expect to be reading about new bottoms/footings or uxter plate. And whoever thought that sawing a tractor tyre in half and fighting it so it fitted down over the stem post would be a sensible and attractive addition!? Beats me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, billybobbooth said: at least this time it's not for sale trying to claim a full rebuild of the engine like last time, as I remember Mike having this done and that was well before he sold up and went to Scotland I am sorry but this is simply not true. When CHISWICH was previously advertised for sale on Apollo Duck website and Waterways World magazine (2015 - 2019) it was stated that the Lister JP2 was refurbished, as it does in the current advert, with no mention of a full rebuild. The Lister JP2 currently in CHISWICK was installed in 2002 - the one you remember is now allegedly in ARUNDEL 4 hours ago, stagedamager said: Many a happy time on her. She worked as a camper for a while with Meteor for a while too. Is METEOR still unconverted ? Edited August 10, 2019 by pete harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted August 10, 2019 Report Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) small Woolwich ORION https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wooden-narrow-boat/254323222135?hash=item3b36d86677:g:tFoAAOSwLztdSm31 F.M.C. Ltd. horse boat stern NORWIND https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Reduced-for-quick-sale-Project-Narrowboat-for-sale/193006947393?_trkparms=aid%3D888008%26algo%3DDISC.CARDS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131227121020%26meid%3Dcac0d34836fe4a1cbb1e9fdb8cfc3d6f%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D254323222135%26itm%3D193006947393%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982 Edited August 10, 2019 by pete harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughc Posted August 10, 2019 Report Share Posted August 10, 2019 7 hours ago, pete harrison said: I am sorry but this is simply not true. When CHISWICH was previously advertised for sale on Apollo Duck website and Waterways World magazine (2015 - 2019) it was stated that the Lister JP2 was refurbished, as it does in the current advert, with no mention of a full rebuild. The Lister JP2 currently in CHISWICK was installed in 2002 - the one you remember is now allegedly in ARUNDEL Is METEOR still unconverted ? Yes she is. We sold her in 2000 as a fully fitted camper and that was a mistake. When she came up for sale by the receiver she was behind a hedge near Tamworth. CTS, I believe, then recabined her as she was destined to work with 'Aldridge?' She ended up at Stretton and from there I bought her. A nostalgic impulse buy perhaps? She is in fine fettle and awaits painting and a cabin refit. Daniel has made new running gear and we have fitted new top cloths. The side cloths await. We intend running her with Heyford as a family camper. Regards, HughC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_c Posted August 10, 2019 Report Share Posted August 10, 2019 7 hours ago, pete harrison said: I am sorry but this is simply not true. When CHISWICH was previously advertised for sale on Apollo Duck website and Waterways World magazine (2015 - 2019) it was stated that the Lister JP2 was refurbished, as it does in the current advert, with no mention of a full rebuild. The Lister JP2 currently in CHISWICK was installed in 2002 - the one you remember is now allegedly in ARUNDEL Is METEOR still unconverted ? Meteor is still unconverted and will hopefully remain that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted August 10, 2019 Report Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, hughc said: Yes she is. We sold her in 2000 as a fully fitted camper and that was a mistake. When she came up for sale by the receiver she was behind a hedge near Tamworth. CTS, I believe, then recabined her as she was destined to work with 'Aldridge?' She ended up at Stretton and from there I bought her. A nostalgic impulse buy perhaps? She is in fine fettle and awaits painting and a cabin refit. Daniel has made new running gear and we have fitted new top cloths. The side cloths await. We intend running her with Heyford as a family camper. Regards, HughC 3 hours ago, tom_c said: Meteor is still unconverted and will hopefully remain that way Thank you for these updates, and what I presume is a recent photograph edit - my records must have gone awry somewhere as I photographed METEOR at Langley Mill on 21 April 2004 when it appeared to be a camping boat paired with BANSTEAD, and I have METEOR as being sold in June 2006 (with BANSTEAD sold in August 2004). Edited August 10, 2019 by pete harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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