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12 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Not sure how you know that. I can't see a seller ID anywhere on the Theophilus ad. Who is it then?

 

I didn’t categorically say it was but look at the similarities in the two adverts and note the boats listed in the profile of the person who drew our attention to Theophilus.

 

JP

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28 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Surely not. Are you kidding?!!

 

 

The Chris you are thinking of owns a boat called Bunny, or Rabbit, or something

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50 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

Chris? I thought he sold Baldock six or seven years ago.

 

43 minutes ago, RLWP said:

You'll be amazed, I know - there is more than one person called Chris!

 

^^^^^^
Exactly this!

Different Chris, but definitely a Chris.

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2 hours ago, James Owen said:

I agree Pete. Each owner be they commercial or private individuals has, and shall continue to do so, left their mark on these boats whilst under their respective tenures and I believe that is no bad thing. If every boat were 'as built' that would make for some tedious sights. 

I concede that budget restraints will ultimately decide on what degree of 'restoration' any boat is likely to undergo but that shouldn't, in this day and age and with the original present for use as a reference, affect the overall shape of the boat.

As one boat builder put it "it's as flat as a witches t*t and all welded".

Does that not make it sanitised? 

Most 'historic' boats are weld repaired and have been for donkeys years, riveting only becoming available again fairly recently by one or two specialist boatyards.

 

Replication of shape should be fairly straight forward, especially when there are original examples to copy, so any boat that resembles the shape of a witches t*t is unfortunate :captain:

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2 minutes ago, pete harrison said:

Most 'historic' boats are weld repaired and have been for donkeys years, riveting only becoming available again fairly recently by one or two specialist boatyards.

And there is a lot of localised repair going on, which suits welding

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For those wondering what Theophilus looked like...

Last time I saw it afloat, (compare it to its sister boat Sickle, alongside)...

 

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and I think the last time I saw it at Glascote....


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That's the much hacked about original back end sitting in top of the boat.

I know Chris has had some re-location issues around his work and home in Switzerland, but will leave it to him to make any further comment if he is inclined.

THEOPHILUS was much changed from her 40' Ice boat in terms of cabin, and there was a massive amount of work to be done, much of which has been done. Age does not stop creeping up on any of us, and resources can be there one year, and changed the next. Hard choices may be needed.

 

This is - like SICKLE & TYCHO, one of the few most beautiful hulls on the cut, and well worth the effort of finishing off. Middle Northwich boats are almost inimitable today, and building a replica would cost an awful lot of money - and it would still be a replica, not an original. And whilst originality will never be returned due to corrosion and alterations over the years, the same can be said of the majority of ex-working boats still around today. How many classic motor vehicles can boast their original bodywork and tin-ware?

 

I feel some criticism has been aimed at the owner in this thread, but remember the old native N. American Indian saying: "Don't criticise the way a man walks, until you have walked a mile in his moccasins".

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Renown was a very different looking boat when I first encountered it back in the early 1970s.

 

 

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Its not really a butty when you bear in mind it was built before motor narrow boats turned up. Its a horse boat. 

 

I owned one just the same as that (motorised with original stern) briefly about ten years ago. Without the steel lid. Wonderful, beautiful narrow boat. And yes it did shift. Superb. 

 

 

 

 

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On 10/07/2019 at 18:20, pete harrison said:

ivy (in article) takes on virtually no water

 

um it shouldn't take any!

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23 hours ago, magnetman said:

Its not really a butty when you bear in mind it was built before motor narrow boats turned up. Its a horse boat. 

 

I owned one just the same as that (motorised with original stern) briefly about ten years ago. Without the steel lid. Wonderful, beautiful narrow boat. And yes it did shift. Superb. 

 

 

 

 

Yes of course you are right it was a horse boat.

we had a motor created out of a yarwoods station boat for a while. It had a motor counter, and went like a rocket. Must be something to do with horse boat lines . Our Yarwoods  motor never went anywhere near as well.

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56 minutes ago, roland elsdon said:

I owned one just the same as that (motorised with original stern) briefly about ten years ago. Without the steel lid. Wonderful, beautiful narrow boat. And yes it did shift. Superb. 

How was it for stopping? Without a counter.  Serious question.

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changed slot from the days of me boating with Mike.

 

was not that long ago sence was last up for sale I thought at a sim price.

 

at least this time it's not for sale trying to claim a full rebuild of the engine like last time, as I remember Mike having this done and that was well before he sold up and went to Scotland

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9 minutes ago, billybobbooth said:

changed slot from the days of me boating with Mike.

 

was not that long ago sence was last up for sale I thought at a sim price.

 

at least this time it's not for sale trying to claim a full rebuild of the engine like last time, as I remember Mike having this done and that was well before he sold up and went to Scotland

Many a happy time on her. She worked as a camper for a while with Meteor for a while too. 

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Nice looking boat, I've always admired her.

For that price I'd expect to be reading  about new bottoms/footings or uxter plate.

And whoever thought that sawing a tractor tyre in half and fighting it so it fitted down over the stem post would be a sensible and attractive addition!? Beats me.

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4 hours ago, billybobbooth said:

at least this time it's not for sale trying to claim a full rebuild of the engine like last time, as I remember Mike having this done and that was well before he sold up and went to Scotland

I am sorry but this is simply not true.

 

When CHISWICH was previously advertised for sale on Apollo Duck website and Waterways World magazine (2015 - 2019) it was stated that the Lister JP2 was refurbished, as it does in the current advert, with no mention of a full rebuild. The Lister JP2 currently in CHISWICK was installed in 2002 - the one you remember is now allegedly in ARUNDEL :captain:

4 hours ago, stagedamager said:

Many a happy time on her. She worked as a camper for a while with Meteor for a while too. 

Is METEOR still unconverted ? 

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7 hours ago, pete harrison said:

I am sorry but this is simply not true.

 

When CHISWICH was previously advertised for sale on Apollo Duck website and Waterways World magazine (2015 - 2019) it was stated that the Lister JP2 was refurbished, as it does in the current advert, with no mention of a full rebuild. The Lister JP2 currently in CHISWICK was installed in 2002 - the one you remember is now allegedly in ARUNDEL :captain:

Is METEOR still unconverted ? 

Yes she is. We sold her in 2000 as a fully fitted camper and that was a mistake. When she came up for sale by the receiver she was behind a hedge near Tamworth. CTS, I believe, then recabined her  as she was destined to work with 'Aldridge?'  She ended up at Stretton and from there I bought her. A nostalgic impulse buy perhaps? She is in fine fettle and awaits painting and a cabin refit. Daniel has made new running gear and we have fitted new top cloths. The side cloths await. We intend running her with Heyford as a family camper. Regards, HughC

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7 hours ago, pete harrison said:

I am sorry but this is simply not true.

 

When CHISWICH was previously advertised for sale on Apollo Duck website and Waterways World magazine (2015 - 2019) it was stated that the Lister JP2 was refurbished, as it does in the current advert, with no mention of a full rebuild. The Lister JP2 currently in CHISWICK was installed in 2002 - the one you remember is now allegedly in ARUNDEL :captain:

Is METEOR still unconverted ? 

Meteor is still unconverted  and will hopefully remain that way 

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