mrsmelly Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 9 hours ago, peterboat said: Another person converted to the world of composting loos. As I have said before my new boat will have one and I have ripped out the pump out to do it. After 6 years of composting I could not face going back to pump out or cassette But Peter we all know you even think lectric cars are a good idea...............bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bargebuilder Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 There is a difference between passing on ones experiences and telling others what to do. I'm sorry if you misunderstood my intention, which was to let readers know that a good alternative to more conventional toilets was available, fit for purpose and inexpensive to set up; in my opinion of course. Haggis mentioned in his post that he moored next to a boat with a composting loo that had a smelly vent. It is, of course, the case that with ones nose directly above the vent it isn't fragrant, but then that is why no smells escape into the bathroom. You never walk into the bathroom after another has deposited something particularly malodorous and wish you hadn't, because the gasses are evacuated from beneath the seat as they are 'produced'. I do wonder if a lot of the bad experiences that have permanently put folks off of the very idea of 'composting' hark back to outdated designs or poor installations. In addition, the toilets that don't separate the liquids from the solids are doomed to failure, being more likely to produce a stinking mess rather than friable compost. The designs of composting loos that by various methods evaporate urine are going to be the ones with the stinky vents; stale urine.....yuck! A dog poo on a pavement doesn't smell after a couple of hours, unless of course you step in it. The same is true of human deposits, don't disturb it and any whif is barely noticeable, and even then, only outside the boat because of the extractor fan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 hours ago, mrsmelly said: But Peter we all know you even think lectric cars are a good idea...............bless The future Tim, definitely the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 12 hours ago, peterboat said: The future Tim, definitely the future Have you got powerfull binoculars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 14 hours ago, peterboat said: The future Tim, definitely the future When I worked for BT they employed a "Futurologist", whose job was to imagine what might happen in the future so BT could take advantage of it. I recall that he had an unerring ability to get things wrong. He foresaw glasses with built in computer screens so you could watch the Internet as you walked along, but missed the Smartphone which does the same. Not sure if they still employ him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) On 31/07/2017 at 21:22, Bargebuilder said: A dog poo on a pavement doesn't smell after a couple of hours, unless of course you step in it. The same is true of human deposits, don't disturb it and any whif is barely noticeable, and even then, only outside the boat because of the extractor fan. But I thought the whole point of a composting toilet was to disturb and aerate the poo? Isn't that what the agitator spindle is for on the Airhead and Nature's head? Edited August 3, 2017 by blackrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 As I see it a compositing loo on a boat being used for long term cruising is similar to crapping into a Tesco bag and hanging it from the nearest tree.....and that's not acceptable for dog poo let alone human waste...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, frangar said: As I see it a compositing loo on a boat being used for long term cruising is similar to crapping into a Tesco bag and hanging it from the nearest tree.....and that's not acceptable for dog poo let alone human waste...... The ones I've seen are not for me, but I know people who live aboard and get along with composting toilets quite nicely. While I have no problem recommending certain beneficial items of boat equipment or consumables to others (e.g. whale gulper waste pumps, marineflex mastic), why anyone feels the need to give such negative feedback and criticise equipment they've never actually used long term I do not understand? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, blackrose said: The ones I've seen are not for me, but I know people who live aboard and get along with composting toilets quite nicely. While I have no problem recommending certain beneficial items of boat equipment or consumables to others (e.g. whale gulper waste pumps, marineflex mastic), why anyone feels the need to give such negative feedback and criticise equipment they've never actually used long term I do not understand? I've had the misfortune to work on a boat with a so called composting toilet installed .....the smell was overpowering as the boat had been shut up for a few weeks.....I hate to think what microbes were in the air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac of Cygnet Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Did you know that a world centre of composting (and other) toilet technology is not far from the canal at Loughborough University? Son No.1 did a degree there in a course called Water and Environmental Waste Engineering - WEWE. Seriously. Incidentally the title of this thread always raises a smile when it appears. I imagine a Victorian lady on a delicately scented seat....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mac of Cygnet said: Did you know that a world centre of composting (and other) toilet technology is not far from the canal at Loughborough University? Son No.1 did a degree there in a course called Water and Environmental Waste Engineering - WEWE. Seriously. Incidentally the title of this thread always raises a smile when it appears. I imagine a Victorian lady on a delicately scented seat....... What about Number 2,what was his course? Principles Of Over Powering Organic Odours (POOPOO) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac of Cygnet Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, rusty69 said: What about Number 2,what was his course? Principles Of Over Powering Organic Odours (POOPOO) Afraid not. Marine Electrical Engineering. Nothing to do with MEE..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Mac of Cygnet said: Afraid not. Marine Electrical Engineering. Nothing to do with MEE..... Ah, A frayed knot, theres a nautical pun there somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac of Cygnet Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, rusty69 said: Ah, A frayed knot, theres a nautical pun there somewhere! As several boat namers have spotted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 hour ago, frangar said: I've had the misfortune to work on a boat with a so called composting toilet installed .....the smell was overpowering as the boat had been shut up for a few weeks.....I hate to think what microbes were in the air Clearly the fan had stopped working or it was incorrectly installed mine has been shut up for a lot longer than a couple of weeks without any smells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, frangar said: I've had the misfortune to work on a boat with a so called composting toilet installed .....the smell was overpowering as the boat had been shut up for a few weeks.....I hate to think what microbes were in the air Ok, so because of one smelly toilet (which had been left for a period of time) you've dismissed and now criticise the whole idea? In that case I assume you've never smelled a stinky pump out toilet or cassette? I've had the misfortune to smell lots of awful boat toilets of various designs, but that doesn't mean I write off the entire concept. I've never owned one and I don't know, but I would imagine if you're going away and leaving a composting loo for a few weeks unmanaged, it's probably recommended that one empties it beforehand? Edited August 3, 2017 by blackrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Mac of Cygnet said: Incidentally the title of this thread always raises a smile when it appears. I imagine a Victorian lady on a delicately scented seat....... That's because our " Bones " who started it is a very posh young lady, alas who no longer posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 On 7/31/2017 at 23:44, peterboat said: The future Tim, definitely the future Here's another disappointing electric car lots of people waited a long time for... On 7/31/2017 at 23:44, peterboat said: The future Tim, definitely the future Here's another disappointing electric car lots of people waited a long time for... On 7/31/2017 at 23:44, peterboat said: The future Tim, definitely the future Here's another disappointing electric car lots of people waited a long time for... On 7/31/2017 at 23:44, peterboat said: The future Tim, definitely the future Here's another disappointing electric car lots of people waited a long time for... On 7/31/2017 at 23:44, peterboat said: The future Tim, definitely the future Here's another disappointing electric car lots of people waited a long time for... On 7/31/2017 at 23:44, peterboat said: The future Tim, definitely the future Here's another disappointing electric car lots of people waited a long time for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, Mike the Boilerman said: Here's another disappointing electric car lots of people waited a long time for... Here's another disappointing electric car lots of people waited a long time for... You need glasses Mike thats a bike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Aha! The 'Submit' button wouldn't respond, so I kept on pressing it! Just now, peterboat said: You need glasses Mike thats a bike Do you not remember Sir Clive Sinclair banging on for years about how he was developing an electric car? Winding the media up with high expectations of a leap forward in electric car technology? And that is what he eventually produced. He became a laughing stock as a result. Terrible shame as he'd done a lot of good stuff before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heffalump Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Aha! The 'Submit' button wouldn't respond, so I kept on pressing it! Schoolboy mistake Mike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Aha! The 'Submit' button wouldn't respond, so I kept on pressing it! Do you not remember Sir Clive Sinclair banging on for years about how he was developing an electric car? Winding the media up with high expectations of a leap forward in electric car technology? And that is what he eventually produced. He became a laughing stock as a result. Terrible shame as he'd done a lot of good stuff before. I can remember it being on tomorrows world a sure fire way of it never making it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogless Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 As I understand it, from reading, it takes upto 3 months for the solids to fully compost. Presumably if you are using the loo, you will be adding to the solids on a daily basis, so does that mean, at some point one has to remove a quantity of solids and store it for the requisite time? And if one leaves the boat for a period, do you have to leave the drying fan running for the process to continue? Having to dispose of liquids in the usual way, and then gardening and storing one's solids does sound rather labour intensive compared to simply emptying a cassette every 3 or 4 days. Rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 33 minutes ago, dogless said: As I understand it, from reading, it takes upto 3 months for the solids to fully compost. Presumably if you are using the loo, you will be adding to the solids on a daily basis, so does that mean, at some point one has to remove a quantity of solids and store it for the requisite time? And if one leaves the boat for a period, do you have to leave the drying fan running for the process to continue? Having to dispose of liquids in the usual way, and then gardening and storing one's solids does sound rather labour intensive compared to simply emptying a cassette every 3 or 4 days. Rog I dont get you Rog? I empty the liquids once a week it takes seconds and the solids once every 3 months you however twice a week have to empty your cassettes. So by my reckoning do 23 times more work than me every 3 months think I will stick with the composting loo ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, peterboat said: I dont get you Rog? I empty the liquids once a week it takes seconds and the solids once every 3 months you however twice a week have to empty your cassettes. So by my reckoning do 23 times more work than me every 3 months think I will stick with the composting loo ta But you didn't answer his question: 38 minutes ago, dogless said: As I understand it, from reading, it takes upto 3 months for the solids to fully compost. Presumably if you are using the loo, you will be adding to the solids on a daily basis, so does that mean, at some point one has to remove a quantity of solids and store it for the requisite time? So does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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