Arthur Marshall Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 RCR are offering an engine service for £140. As far as I'm aware, all that needs doing on an air-cooled Lister SR2 is an oil change and fuel filter - is there anything I've missed that they'd do to make it worth while paying it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacka Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, Arthur Marshall said: RCR are offering an engine service for £140. As far as I'm aware, all that needs doing on an air-cooled Lister SR2 is an oil change and fuel filter - is there anything I've missed that they'd do to make it worth while paying it? The enjoyment of sitting back and watching them do it??? Though I wouldn't pay myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: RCR are offering an engine service for £140. As far as I'm aware, all that needs doing on an air-cooled Lister SR2 is an oil change and fuel filter - is there anything I've missed that they'd do to make it worth while paying it? Travelling time (both ways) and vehicle costs, £50 per hour (+VAT) for 'mechanic'. They need to cover a portion of 'head office running costs' (rent, rates, elec, water, heating) & office staff costs (holiday pay, NI, maternity pay, wages etc) and at the end of the day they are in business to make a profit. Pay the 'tax man' 21% (of what they make) Corporation Tax. Pay the VAT man his 20% Pay their accountants £1000's per annum Add in 'material costs' and It looks a good offer. No one appreciates the costs of running a business until they have actually done it. (I would do it myself tho'.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 Re--SR2. Engine wise, apart from oli and fuel filter there's cleaning out the lift pump sediment chamber and filter, check and adjust tappets, injection timing and idle speed. But I doubt if they'd do any of those items after the oil and fuel filter or perhaps know how to. Ask them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted January 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bizzard said: Re--SR2. Engine wise, apart from oli and fuel filter there's cleaning out the lift pump sediment chamber and filter, check and adjust tappets, injection timing and idle speed. But I doubt if they'd do any of those items after the oil and fuel filter or perhaps know how to. Ask them. I'd be surprised. Most of their blokes have never seen a Lister. Re Alan's post, I'm not complaining about the price, just bearing in mind that I change the oil anyway and the fuel filter aint rocket science, even if it does involve some swearing, there's no real need to bother about much else. Edited January 27, 2019 by Arthur Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: I'd be surprised. Most of their blokes have never seen a Lister. Re Alan's post, I'm not complaining about the price, just bearing in mind that I change the oil anyway and the fuel filter aint rocket science, even if it does involve some swearing, there's no real need to bother about much else. Cleaning out the lift pump is quite important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-M Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 48 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: I'd be surprised. Most of their blokes have never seen a Lister. Re Alan's post, I'm not complaining about the price, just bearing in mind that I change the oil anyway and the fuel filter aint rocket science, even if it does involve some swearing, there's no real need to bother about much else. I think you might find the engine service will only consist of oil change and changing the filters. That is all they did when I've used them for their engine service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Arthur Marshall said: RCR are offering an engine service for £140. As far as I'm aware, all that needs doing on an air-cooled Lister SR2 is an oil change and fuel filter - is there anything I've missed that they'd do to make it worth while paying it? Does that include them coming to you are are you going to them? If they do it where you want I reckon its a fair price. Time taken getting to you/from you. A vehicle to run. Once commited they cannot unless lucky do much else unless very near by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 Compared to a car service at a main dealer(300) thats cheap ( apprentice to change oil and filter, throw smelly stuff in screenbottle) walk round clockwise look at tyres walk round anticlockwise look at lights. Wheelspin into washbay where spotty lower apprentice washes car. Throw paper bits into footwells.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movin' on Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Arthur Marshall said: RCR are offering an engine service for £140. As far as I'm aware, all that needs doing on an air-cooled Lister SR2 is an oil change and fuel filter - is there anything I've missed that they'd do to make it worth while paying it? If you are a member does it affect anything to do with your ongoing cover if you don't do it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hurley Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 Should save you the bother of getting rid of the old engine oil as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Brooks Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, bizzard said: Cleaning out the lift pump is quite important. But even that is not too hard as long as you strive to keep the cap seal in the cap because they tend to well and if you take it out I have doubts you will get it back in again. This assumes a typical AC type lift pump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said: But even that is not too hard as long as you strive to keep the cap seal in the cap because they tend to well and if you take it out I have doubts you will get it back in again. This assumes a typical AC type lift pump. It might not even have one,''gravity feed. 4 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said: But even that is not too hard as long as you strive to keep the cap seal in the cap because they tend to well and if you take it out I have doubts you will get it back in again. This assumes a typical AC type lift pump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenA Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 40 minutes ago, roland elsdon said: Compared to a car service at a main dealer(300) thats cheap ( apprentice to change oil and filter, throw smelly stuff in screenbottle) walk round clockwise look at tyres walk round anticlockwise look at lights. Wheelspin into washbay where spotty lower apprentice washes car. Throw paper bits into footwells.) Ah yes but modern oil is horribly expensive. - the stuff for my car is £15.00 a litre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted January 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, Halsey said: If you are a member does it affect anything to do with your ongoing cover if you don't do it?? No, never had them do it before, always done it myself. But as old age grabs me, it's harder and harder to reach the bits that need to be reached... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, StephenA said: Ah yes but modern oil is horribly expensive. - the stuff for my car is £15.00 a litre £95 for the oil every change on my car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keeping Up Posted January 27, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said: No, never had them do it before, always done it myself. But as old age grabs me, it's harder and harder to reach the bits that need to be reached... Yes I find that too, even on the engine ... 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayke Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 42 minutes ago, Mike Hurley said: Should save you the bother of getting rid of the old engine oil as well. There is an extra charge of £5 for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith M Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 There is at least one air-cooled Lister engine where the engineers and apprentices train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted January 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 36 minutes ago, Keith M said: There is at least one air-cooled Lister engine where the engineers and apprentices train. Well, so far on breakdowns I'm all square - two looked at it, said "I don't know anything about them" and walked off, leaving me stranded, and two were first rate and knew the things backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 9 hours ago, F DRAYKE said: There is an extra charge of £5 for this. Is this new? There was no such charge on the two occasions (more recent two years ago) that RCR serviced our Gardner. The price also includes the oil up to a certain amount - our engine apparently has a large sump so we had to pay for some of it, but you shouldn't have that problem with a smaller engine. 12 hours ago, Arthur Marshall said: I'd be surprised. Most of their blokes have never seen a Lister. e. As Listers must be one of the most common makes of engine on the canals, why should this be so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Halsey said: If you are a member does it affect anything to do with your ongoing cover if you don't do it?? Not at all, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Athy said: As Listers must be one of the most common makes of engine on the canals, why should this be so? I'm not sure that the likes of the SR2 & the old Air-cooled Lister 'thumper' engines are that common - although the Lister water-cooled LPWs 3's & 4's are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Just now, Alan de Enfield said: I'm not sure that the likes of the SR2 & the old Air-cooled Lister 'thumper' engines are that common - although the Lister water-cooled LPWs 3's & 4's are. Yes, I was including modern Canal Stars and the like, as I'm sure Arthur was, not just big burly JPs and slow-popping SRs and STs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-M Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 26 minutes ago, Athy said: Is this new? There was no such charge on the two occasions (more recent two years ago) that RCR serviced our Gardner. The price also includes the oil up to a certain amount - our engine apparently has a large sump so we had to pay for some of it, but you shouldn't have that problem with a smaller engine. As Listers must be one of the most common makes of engine on the canals, why should this be so? Yes the £5 charge for oil disposal is a recent additional charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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