Where is it?

[archie57]

Copyright National Railway Museum

[lydfordcastle]

Clifton Wharf, Oxford Canal, Rugby. The railway bridge in the foreground is the Rugby to Peterborough line via Market Harborough. The coaches are simply parked ; it's not a train passing over the bridge. The railway bridge in the middle distance is the Great Central main line passing over the Avon Valley and the picture is probably dated early 1950's

[MtB]

WHAT a staggeringly lovely foto. Evocative on so many levels. I remember traveling on trains looking like that.

 

I feel like I worked boats like that.

 

I find out from my dying dad that I may well have done, in a previous life.

 

MtB

[davidg]

And from the opposite direction this is the GC bridge. The train is moving in this one, wonder how long the photographer had to wait to get the shot...

 

Copyright Leicester Museums

Edited February 20, 2015 by davidg

[RLWP]

Three completely different carriages. The left has fixed ventilators, the centre has roof vents the right has a high, elliptical roof

 

Richard

[alan_fincher]

Three completely different carriages. The left has fixed ventilators, the centre has roof vents the right has a high, elliptical roof

 

Richard

 

Your coat, Richard......

 

[madcat]

Fantastic photos.

 

I admit to being interested in the same level of detail of GU boats so appreciate Richards knowledge .

 

Maybe one of us knitters should knit Richard an appropriate coloured bobble hat in Primrose coloured yarn . Was I the only one who spotted the colour of the mans hat in Alan's post. Somehow I don't think pale yellow is an engineer friendly colour , shows the oily paw prints.

Edited February 20, 2015 by madcat

[Laurence Hogg]

Very likely a pair of S E Barlow boats as the deck board has no roses which is a trend many of their boats had. lovely shot.

[Derek R.]

Not into buses are you Richard?

 

 

FMC socks anyone . . . ?

[junior]

And from the opposite direction this is the GC bridge. The train is moving in this one, wonder how long the photographer had to wait to get the shot...

 

Copyright Leicester Museums

What's the locomotive class anyone? My knowledge of non-Southern Region is not the best. My guess would be a D49 or B1?

 

Actually, would LNER locos have worked through Rugby at all?

Edited February 20, 2015 by junior

[bizzard]

B1 I reckon. Boilers too long for a D49.

[Richard T]

Can't give a class of loco (but might be an O4) cos I dont wear the right anorak but LNER locos were common in Rugby because at grouping the Great Central became part of the LNER.

So B1s etc were common. The GC crossed the LNWR on the famous birdcage bridge by Rugby station

[archie57]

And from the opposite direction this is the GC bridge. The train is moving in this one, wonder how long the photographer had to wait to get the shot...

 

Copyright Leicester Museums

Never mind the loco (B16?) - this is Ernie Humphries with the "Phobos" and "Actis"

[RLWP]

Your coat, Richard......

 

If you are interested in old railway carriages, trainspotters are lightweights

 

Richard

[Ray T]

What's the locomotive class anyone? My knowledge of non-Southern Region is not the best. My guess would be a D49 or B1?

 

Actually, would LNER locos have worked through Rugby at all?

 

Yes, on the Great Central section The G C was absorbed into the LNER on 1st January 1923, known as "The grouping" when The Big 4 came into being.

 

The coaches in the top photo look ex LMS to me:

 

Edited February 20, 2015 by Ray T

[junior]

Yes, on the Great Central section The G C was absorbed into the LNER on 1st January 1923, known as "The grouping" when The Big 4 came into being.

 

The coaches in the top photo look ex LMS to me:

 

And to add to the muddle, being headed by a GWR Prairie by the look of it?

[RLWP]

Yes, on the Great Central section The G C was absorbed into the LNER on 1st January 1923, known as "The grouping" when The Big 4 came into being.

 

The coaches in the top photo look ex LMS to me:

 

The left hand one looks much older

 

Richard

Edited February 20, 2015 by RLWP

[Ray T]

The left hand one looks much older

 

Richard

 

SR ish? Maunsell?

 

 

Edited February 20, 2015 by Ray T

[davey b]

I'd guess Maunsell 57' left , Stanier 57' 3rd Open LMS design, BR build (Wolverton?)(dwg 1999?) centre

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAUQjhw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.ntlworld.com%2Ffoxfield%2Flmscoach.htm&ei=qH3uVO_PBtKy7QaVioHACg&psig=AFQjCNH0AZRzatKuujs1GTgG6jAFz4-4tA&ust=1425002198873096

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAUQjhw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.ntlworld.com%2Ffoxfield%2Flmscoach.htm&ei=qH3uVO_PBtKy7QaVioHACg&psig=AFQjCNH0AZRzatKuujs1GTgG6jAFz4-4tA&ust=1425002198873096

 

and possibly an early 1937 streamliner LMS coach right in about 1961-64 holding on the depot branch (Former Bedford/Olney line) in Northampton over the Leicester Line of the GU (later middle coach due to more in-board bogies)

 

Just a guess...

Edited February 26, 2015 by davey b

[David Mack]

Was I the only one who spotted the colour of the mans hat in Alan's post.

That's elfin safety for you. Trainspotters now have to wear hi-vis bobble hats.

[RLWP]

I'd guess Maunsell 57' left , Stanier 57' 3rd Open LMS design, BR build (Wolverton?)(dwg 1999?) centre

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAUQjhw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.ntlworld.com%2Ffoxfield%2Flmscoach.htm&ei=qH3uVO_PBtKy7QaVioHACg&psig=AFQjCNH0AZRzatKuujs1GTgG6jAFz4-4tA&ust=1425002198873096

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAUQjhw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage.ntlworld.com%2Ffoxfield%2Flmscoach.htm&ei=qH3uVO_PBtKy7QaVioHACg&psig=AFQjCNH0AZRzatKuujs1GTgG6jAFz4-4tA&ust=1425002198873096

 

and possibly an early 1937 streamliner LMS coach right in about 1961-64 holding on the depot branch (Former Bedford/Olney line) in Northampton over the Leicester Line of the GU (later middle coach due to more in-board bogies)

 

Just a guess...

 

I'd go with that

 

Richard

[alan_fincher]

SR ish? Maunsell?

I'd go with that

My doubts about it being of SR origin is that it is carrying a "M xxxx M" number. The "M" being for "London Midland" in each case, and I thought the first was region of operation, and the second related in some way to originating company, (in fact I think it may have been something like region responsible for major works, but that usually still related to originating company.

 

Perhaps I'm wrong, but if it we a Maunsell carriage now operating on the London Midland, I thought it would more usually carry an "M xxxx S" number.

 

I'm probably remembering wrong, though!

[Rose Narrowboats]

I can't find an exact match, but looking through "The LMS Coach 1923-1957" the coach to the left it is an ex LMS design from 1929-1933 (based onthe windows and ventilators), possibly a rebuild of an earlier coach from the style of the roof.

 

The other two are post 1933 Stanier designs, the middle one probably not as late as suggested as it hasn't (sadly for this forum) got "porthole" windows in the vestibules.

 

Where do I get my hi-vis bobble hat?

 

Anthony

[RLWP]

Oh dear - now I will have to dig out my Jenkinson carriage history books...

 

Richard

[Pluto]

On visiting Torun, in Poland, my local historian friend took me to a railway yard where he had found a circa 1930 LMS carriage. Can't find the details at the moment, but it had probably ended up there as part of an ambulance train in the 2WW.