Worcester & Birmingham, ufn btwn Gas st & Granville St

[RLWP]

I think we need to find another map

 

Richard

[nicknorman]

I think we need to find another map

Richard

If you change the overlay on the map you linked to, to the OS 1937-1961, the L shaped bit at the end of the NW arm is shown in isolation, looking more like a building than an arm. Off to bed now but tomorrow I'll have a look at the 1945 aerial overlay on Google Earth to see if that allows differentiation between the L bit as an arm vs a building. Edited February 23, 2015 by nicknorman

[Richard West]

I think we need to find another map

 

Richard

 

This is from the OS Town Plan for Birmingham 1888-1889. Hope it's helpful.

 

[nicknorman]

That's pretty categorical, thanks, although it does seem to say that there is no L shaped bit at the end. The apparent gaps in the arms are presumably where they are covered by buildings.

 

It's amazing how much industry was there, now replaced by nightclubs and hotels. Oh and I now realise that the outlines drawn on Richard and Dave's map are not buildings, but absence of building, presumably courtyards etc (and canal arms).

Edited February 24, 2015 by nicknorman

[RLWP]

Thanks Richard, that's excellent. You wouldn't happen to have the map that covers where the railway tunnels are would you?

 

Nick - I forget that what I know isn't always obvious. Birmingham was very intensely developed by that time, so i automatically read the map as mostly buildings with gaps shown. Richard's map is wonderful as it puts businesses to the canal arms. On the other hand, businesses then seemed to come and go at great frequency, so the ones shown may not be the originals on those sites, or use the canal

 

Richard

[Richard West]

Thanks Richard, that's excellent. You wouldn't happen to have the map that covers where the railway tunnels are would you?

 

Nick - I forget that what I know isn't always obvious. Birmingham was very intensely developed by that time, so i automatically read the map as mostly buildings with gaps shown. Richard's map is wonderful as it puts businesses to the canal arms. On the other hand, businesses then seemed to come and go at great frequency, so the ones shown may not be the originals on those sites, or use the canal

 

Richard

Sorry, I don't. That one cost me £11 to download!!! You can see it on http://www.old-maps.co.uk but you don't get to zoom all the way in unless you buy the map.

[haggis]

This to me is CWDF at its best. What a lot I have learned because a tunnel sprang a leak!

 

Thanks you folks,

 

Haggis

[RLWP]

Sorry, I don't. That one cost me £11 to download!!! You can see it on http://www.old-maps.co.uk but you don't get to zoom all the way in unless you buy the map.

 

Ahh - well, thank you for doing that. I'd like to know about the tunnels, but not for £11

 

Richard

[andy3196]

Ahh - well, thank you for doing that. I'd like to know about the tunnels, but not for £11 Richard

Try http://bcnsociety.com/bcn-society-news/ , there's a map on there at the moment, looks to be quite a large download if you click on it

[RLWP]

Try http://bcnsociety.com/bcn-society-news/ , there's a map on there at the moment, looks to be quite a large download if you click on it

 

Brilliant! This is it: https://bcnsociety.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/salvage-turn-tunnels.png and it is big

 

Notice the Corporation yard on Salvage turn, this was the rubbish disposal yard

 

Richard

Edited February 24, 2015 by RLWP

[RLWP]

Something for our man-on-the-spot. It looks like there is a footpath called Holliday Passage that runs parallel to Bridge Street from Holliday St to the Mailbox:

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Gas+Street+Basin,+Gas+St,+Birmingham,+West+Midlands+B1+2JT/@52.475966,-1.9066945,19z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4870bcf44faa40a9:0x1ad86b7201e73bd5

 

I think you should be able to see over the wall of that to the yard where the tunnel comes out

 

Richard

[Theo]

It looks a bit like an old Robotics modem. Can I see lots of sockets on the side?

[David Mack]

You missed the basin that is an extension of the 'Mailbox' arm. I'm ashamed I don't know the proper name

 

 

 

Map now updated to include the above - the "Severn Street Arm" and the Gibsons Arm and Baskerville Basin.

 

And before anyone asks, the Gibsons Arm ran through the Gibsons Tunnel beneath Cambridge Street, so is not disconnected from the rest of the canal, as it appears.

 

To respond to Nick's point, my source for this information is a copy of the map "Canals of Birmingham", available from cartographics.co.uk, but not as far as I am aware available online. This does show the western branch at Gas Street having a short transverse bit at the end.

 

[john6767]

If you look on google map you can see the entranceto the disused tunnel, look for the yellow doors under Holiday Passage/Bridge St.

 

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gas+Street+Basin,+Gas+St,+Birmingham,+West+Midlands+B1+2JT&ll=52.475991,-1.906933&spn=0.001017,0.001255&hnear=Gas+Street+Basin,+Gas+St,+Birmingham+B1+2JT,+United+Kingdom&t=h°=180&z=20

[Dave_P]

This to me is CWDF at its best. What a lot I have learned because a tunnel sprang a leak!

 

Thanks you folks,

 

Haggis

Well said Haggis. Good innit?

Holliday Passage has high walls either side but I'll try and go down later and see what I can find.

[PaulG]

Well said Haggis. Good innit?

Holliday Passage has high walls either side but I'll try and go down later and see what I can find.

Take a "selfie stick!"

[Nightwatch]

Arh! A selfie stick.

 

I don't own one, two of my sons do. I think they are brilliant. Best thing since the periscope.

 

Martyn

[Dave-Shrop]

Well said Haggis. Good innit?

Holliday Passage has high walls either side but I'll try and go down later and see what I can find.

If you walk up Holiday Street northwards from the aqueduct past steps to holiday passage and past the large building (Q) on the right then turn right down the private road at the side of the building, go to the bottom and turn right and you will see the tunnel doors you can walk right up to them. You will need boots if it is still flooded.

I am surprised that the tunnel roof cannot be seen where they have drained the canal, as looking at height above the top of the tunnel to where Holiday passage is very small.

 

http://www.demotix.com/photo/6941262/birmingham-canal-threatens-flood-and-close-west-coast-mainline

[PaulG]

The really annoying thing about all this is that I was in Birmingham the weekend before last, staying at the Canalside Premier Inn, which almost overlooks this site.

There was b*gger all happening on the canal at the time. Hardly any boats around, and didn't see anything moving.

One week on, there's all this interesting stuff happening!

Edited February 24, 2015 by PaulG

[Richard T]

Sorry, I don't. That one cost me £11 to download!!! You can see it on http://www.old-maps.co.uk but you don't get to zoom all the way in unless you buy the map.

Try this link - you can overlay the current map/google image with the 1888 6"inch OS plan or view them side by side - the choice is yours.http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=15&lat=52.47611&lon=-1.90384&layers=6

[MoominPapa]

I wonder if CRT will be checking the nearest stop gates and grooves on the Regent's Canal to Gasworks tunnel. If that started flooding Kings Cross station throat there would be a lot of chaos very quickly.

 

MP.

[Dave_P]

Arh! A selfie stick.

 

I don't own one, two of my sons do. I think they are brilliant. Best thing since the periscope.

 

Martyn

I think they're now called Narcissisticks now

[madcat]

You have the wrong flower Dave , Richard has one and he's a little primrose , are they actually Primrose sticks I wonder :)

 

Back to serious , how are the CRT boys getting on . Any idea of where the problem lies ie under the mixer the Gordon's gin bottle or the skull or elsewhere.

Edited February 24, 2015 by madcat

[Dave_P]

You have the wrong flower Dave , Richard has one and he's a little primrose , are they actually Primrose sticks I wonder :)

 

Back to serious , how are the CRT boys getting on . Any idea of where the problem lies ie under the mixer the Gordon's gin bottle or the skull or elsewhere.

I wasn't referring to daffs...

 

The tunnel! A small amount of water dribbling out, but not a lot really.

[RLWP]

You have excelled yourself! I was expecting a distant shot of a tiny tunnel

 

Nice work, Dave

 

Richard