Another new way to lose your Licence

[Wanted]

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[MtB]

 

The trouble is, people like are Tony D put out diatribe that was his original post and normal people get upset because they don't want to break any rules (even if there is none to be broken)

 

All because of miss-information spread by muppets like him

 

..................... oh dear, I'll probably get a dressing down from EmmaB again

 

She seems to have stopped rising to every mention of piss-takers now though, so you may have escaped....

 

 

MtB

Blame MtB, he started it Sir.

 

 

But Sir, SIR, I DID NOT start it.

 

Athy started it, as any fule no

[GUMPY]

 

The trouble is, people like are Tony D put out diatribe that was his original post and normal people get upset because they don't want to break any rules (even if there is none to be broken)

 

All because of miss-information spread by muppets like him

 

..................... oh dear, I'll probably get a dressing down from EmmaB again

That's an insult to Muppets

[EmmaB]

 

What a sad unpleasant person you are. I don't recall reading any post from you that's either helpful or contributes in any way other than being rude and obnoxious. Are you suffering withdraws symptoms possibly?

And what you like me to help you with Julyian darling?

[Ex- Member]

And what you like me to help you with Julyian darling?

 

[Ronniesonic]

 

She seems to have stopped rising to every mention of piss-takers now though, so you may have escaped....

 

 

MtB

 

Im up for it & I have not even had 1/2 a shandy top yet.

 

PISSTAKERS

PISSTAKERS

PISSTAKERS

PISSTAKERS

PISSTAKERS

PISSTAKERS

PISSTAKERS

 

 

Seriously though, the Darkside is now just a huge C&RT bashing site & I give it zero credibility. Absolute crap!

But even more seriously, my friend is in her 70's & a Boater & the stuff they write scares her as MTB eluded too.

This annoys me the most, as the poor old gal is worried.

 

The Sonic

[RLWP]

Blame MtB, he started it Sir.

 

Peter X, thank you for that. But what was it called in the many years before "back story" came into common parlance? The story so far? The background?

 

When would 'back story' have become a phrase? I associate it with the Kinematographic industry

 

Richard

[BruceinSanity]

When would 'back story' have become a phrase? I associate it with the Kinematographic industry

 

Richard

I thought that it was all these creative writing courses and "how to write a novel" books. You start by giving all your characters back stories, throw them together and see what happens. When daughter was doing a creative writing evening course and asked about plotting techniques, she was told "Malcolm Bradbury says you don't need a plot, so don't worry about it".

 

This sort of thing may explain why I regard the Booker long list as an invaluable guide to books that won't interest me.

[RLWP]

Life of Pi was good. Cloud Atlas was ok

 

Richard

[Athy]

I thought that it was all these creative writing courses and "how to write a novel" books. You start by giving all your characters back stories, throw them together and see what happens.

 

Yes Bruce, I can see what it means, but my point is that the expression "back stories" has come into (at least general) use very recently. Sorry, I thought I had explained that.

[ditchcrawler]

Sorry if its been said before but the new K&A plan ask's boaters with a home mooring to comply with the plan.

Yes its cut and paste

 

*Boaters with a home mooring
If your home mooring is within the local plan area, we understand that you might use the neighbourhoods closest to your home mooring more frequently than those further afield but we would ask that you always return your boat to your home mooring when not being used for cruising. If your home mooring is elsewhere but you are visiting the canal between Bath and Foxhangers, we ask that you follow this guidance until you leave the local plan area.

[NigelMoore]

Some clarity and less anxiety might result from more care in using the word “Rules”. There seems to be a general muddling together of law and guidance under that one heading.

 

The law sets down rules which must be obeyed on pain of set penalties on conviction – fines &/or summary boat shifting for the most part, or retraction or refusal of a boat licence with consequent removal or seizure in the most extreme of cases.

 

Guidelines are just that – no legal enforcement is possible, the natural consequences of failure to abide by sensible ones are the creation of congestion, ill-feeling, an atmosphere of resentments from differing directions, and calls for more and more “Rules” and “enforcement”.

 

The authority is in some measure to blame for this, because they see it [i suppose] as beneficial to have their ‘customers’ believe that “Rules” [as guidance] are legally enforceable. It is unfortunate that they have so much of the character of ‘a moveable feast’; changing from time to time probably as others have suggested, to demonstrate that there is some purpose/value in having a paid up legal department. Jobs need justifying.

 

For so long as a sufficiently large element of boaters create problems, genuine or perceived, then the authority will keep trying on new ideas. The best possible defence against what has been aptly enough called ‘mission creep’, is for everyone to so behave as to make greater regulation transparently redundant – but that would require all boaters to be nice people, considerate of others.

 

I appreciate, of course, that any outsider reading through Forum topics could be lulled into believing that that’s what we all are.

[blackrose]

C&RT are trying out a new form of nonsense which, if they get away with it, will mean that boat owners with home moorings who like to take regular or frequent weekend trips on the same stretch of waterway to an overnight mooring in the same vicinity as the week before will find their Licences under threat for alleged breaching of Clause 2.1 of the Licence T&C's. This Clause says you can moor for short periods whilst cruising, but C&RT are now claiming that regular and frequent returns to the same location is not "cruising" and so you are not complying with Clause 2,1. The Towpath Traffic Wardens are under instructions to record sightings on two different dates at the same place as evidence that a boat has not moved. Lets hope the DVLA don't pick up on the idea and threaten us all with losing our car Road Tax (Licence) if we park on,or use, the same stretch of road too often.

...the days of BW now seem like a fond but distant memory of a benign, reasonable but sometimes inept organisation. Perhaps some of us should have been a bit more careful what we wished for...because it seems that what we've got now is an authoritarian nightmare.

[Higgs]

Approximately 12 miles of the K&A is subject to an experiment, assessed over a trial period. If the area has constipation problems and the experiment works, CRT will probably use it elsewhere. It doesn't follow that these rules will be rolled out everywhere. The resources aren't there, why create unnecessary amounts of work requiring more staff.

Edited May 16, 2014 by Higgs

[Alan de Enfield]

Thin end of the wedge !!!

[Guest]

...the days of BW now seem like a fond but distant memory of a benign, reasonable but sometimes inept organisation. Perhaps some of us should have been a bit more careful what we wished for...because it seems that what we've got now is an authoritarian nightmare.

I take it you actually have not read the whole thread Mike?

 

It transpires that the OP is nothing more than somebody scaremongering and boaters have nothing to fear CRT in the way suggested by the original poster.

Edited May 17, 2014 by The Dog House

[Higgs]

Thin end of the wedge !!!

 

 

Not for everywhere, I'd say.

[Bettie Boo]

 

EmmaB, as you have posted on a public forum I feel free to say "What a patronising and unpleasant post".

 

Having met Bettie on several occasions she is not the fool you you infer her to be.

Thanks Ray

 

I do actually have Emma on my ignore list (of two), but when others quote her posts I still have the misfortune of reading the patronizing & rude contents. Never mind, there are worse things in life I'm sure

 

Anyway, to busy at present to give it much care or attention; we're off cruising for the next couple of days in this gorgeous weather we are currently having. Are you about your boat this weekend? We may come up your way to try our hand at some locks - might be worth a laugh and picture over a glass of vino

 

 

ETA - missing "are"

Edited May 16, 2014 by Bettie Boo

[Ange]

 

I do actually have Emma on my ignore list (of two), but when others quote her posts I still have the misfortune of reading the patronizing & rude contents.

 

This is the major failing of the ignore facility. I have (and have only ever had) one person on my ignore list and I absolutely never click the "view it anyway" linky. I hate it when people quote him and I have to read his spiteful posts.

 

Anyway, like you say there's worse things in life and there's boating to be done this weekend

Edited May 16, 2014 by Ange

[Guest]

This is the major failing of the ignore facility. I have (and have only ever had) one person on my ignore list and I absolutely never click the "view it anyway" linky. I hate it when people quote him and I have to read his spiteful posts.

 

Anyway, like you say there's worse things in life and there's boating to be done this weekend

Well of course we all know who 'he' is, you go on about it enough,

 

The curious thing is that you refer to my posts as 'spiteful' when they are normally in response to some direct or indirect snipe you have made towards me, this elicits a response and then you start moaning somebody has been 'spiteful' towards you, when in fact all that is occurring is that you are getting as good as you dole out.

 

I should add of course that you will no doubt not see this until somebody quotes me (yeah right!) so I may be wasting my time but hey ho, your choice.

Edited May 17, 2014 by The Dog House

[BruceinSanity]

Yes Bruce, I can see what it means, but my point is that the expression "back stories" has come into (at least general) use very recently. Sorry, I thought I had explained that.

Nah, it's me being slow, sorry. I'd tell you my back story to explain why, but it's too boring to bother...

 

Oh look, this is my 500th post, does that mean I can stop replying to the Viagra spam now?

[DaveC]

No as it stands it is a trial for one year and only applies to the K&A from Foxhangers, bottom of the Caen Hill, to Bath, roughly twelve miles of waterway.

 

Ken

Nearer to 20 miles!

 

 

Dave

[Sir Nibble]

This really looks to me like a call for solidarity based on a pretence that if we don't all rally to the defence of the OP that the CaRT stormtroopers will be kicking down our doors next. Like it or not there are some visitor mooring spots where there a weekly scramble for space at weekends and ruling that locally moored boats should not use them leaves them leaves space for who? It makes no sense whatever and I don't believe it. I accept that CaRT do try to reforge their powers to suit individual cases and often operate in a grey area but I do not think there is any sensible motive to extend this past what CaRT see as "problem" boats.

CaRT really must have powers to manage the waterways and I do not believe they have the powers they need to do so. We so, so need a new act with clarity for all so that we have a clear vision of what waterways are for in the 21st century and a plain view of what is needed to achieve that and where the lines not to be crossed exist.

Much is made of the problems on the Western K&A, well I keep my boat there and I can tell you the problems are not as bad as is portrayed. They were mind, worse if anything. There were 48 hour mooring which were full with boats that moved only for services, they lived there. There were lengths of good mooring where some even went so far as to paint the boat name on the concrete! Spaces reserved by the roof cargo left behind or "gone for water" signs. It was bad, large areas had effectively been pre empted by selfish people who felt the canal to be theirs and the cruising boater to be interlopers. It has changed solely because of the pressure brought to bear culminating in the new plan. This is why I support what some see as "Draconian" action by CaRT and whilst I would certainly not say I completely trust them I do trust them to not behave in a way that is actually underpants on the head I am Napoleon insane.

[junior]

 

Well of course we all know who 'he' is, you go on about it enough,

 

The curious thing is that you refer to my posts as 'spiteful' when they are normally in response to some direct or indirect snipe you have made towards me, this elicits a response and then you start moaning somebody has been 'spiteful' towards you, when in fact all that is occurring is that you are getting as good as you dole out.

 

I should add of course that you will no doubt not see this until somebody quotes me (yeah right!) so I may be wasting my time but hey ho, your choice.

I never knew that happened with people on an ignore list, interesting.

Edited May 17, 2014 by junior

[madcat]

I'm just testing the ignore function with the idea of putting a different poster on ignore from time to time to add an air of randomness to proceedings.

 

Well I will do it till I'm bored of it then back to business as usual with no ignores.