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Is it worse than being called Dickhead then LOL Tommys chosen insult in a previous post.

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Hi Martain I think I recall the thread, My annoyance was with regard to your antics with regard to misquoting another's post and what I considered demeaning to a specific female poster. My annoyance was not so much with the point you were trying to making which was an opinion you were perfectly entitled to view. I might not be correct with regard to the actual thread, but it's what I recall. I certainly didn't complain to any mod either. With regard to this thread, I have maintained consistently that if your hit by a hire boat, your claim is against the hire company. People seem to believe different. However as I's already pointed out, not only have I taken legal advice on this issue having been hit by a hire boat ourselves which is documented on here somewhere. But clearly there are 6 other instances of other boaters claiming from the hire boat company. In addition I have posted terms and conditions from hire boat companies that clearly state that the hirer indemnifies the Hire Boat Company in the event of any claim made against the company. We also have including the thread which I recall Starcoaster posted in 2013 7 instances of boats being hit by a hire boat the 3rd parties claiming against the hire boat company, that including today. Now being in business as I have been for 30 years + I can assure you that if I wasn't liable for something I certainly wouldn't be paying up as no responsible company would. Yet we see 7 instances of hire boat companies accepting liability and paying up according to members postings. Now you and others can question what I have stated as much as you please, however no one has offered up anything credible to counteract my position other than nonsense and opinion. And there's 7 instances of claims from Hire boat companies, and terms & conditions of a hire company that clearly contradict any belief any claim is against the hirer. Like as has happened to yourself previously Martin I suspect that people are jumping on band wagons as they do, and I freely admit that I did the same regarding some of your previous postings going back a year or so, and have mostly chosen to ignore you over the past year. Recently though IMO your what I considered your awful tone and manner back then have been much softened over the past several months, and even felt the need to back you up with regard to some of the really idiot posters on here, some new some older. People can disagree with me as much as they wish, If they choose to not believe what I'm saying, then fine, but I will continue to defend the position I know to be correct. Been there done that! I generally post on this forum to offer help and ideas/experiences to other boaters. I don't bull sh1te and I don't lie. If people don't believe my fine. But I would suggest though to take legal advise if hit by a hire boat, they do try to fob claimants off as attested by members postings and I have experienced the same myself, hence legal advice. I have to say recently on this forum there have been some right idiots posting complete and utter crap and trying to rile long term members. Over the past 6 months or so this forum IMO has degraded enormously and many good and interesting members have sadly disappeared. The reason why is clearly obvious from reading postings this thread. I will add though Martin I have more respect for you than most members currently on here, and have to agree you'r a much nicer bloke than sometimes comes over on this forum. I do expect this comment to be thrown back in my face though Anyway I'm off, to many Twonks LOL The person liable pays. Look up the word liable or liability.

Think outside the box, probably an impossibility in your case though

Who's Ian More twaddle LOL

So the liability is passed on, thank you!

It's quite breath taking that someone can't understand simple terms and conditions of a hire company. And completely disregards the fact, that there now 7 instances of boaters claiming, Correctly from the HIRE BOAT COMPANY in the event of a collision. Wood for the trees. Really, maybe you should read through the thread again. Already answered, you really should pay attention is that better? Again nonsense, you can claim against you believe is liable which the hire company clearly is. I'm stunned again you cant understand the terms and conditions. THE HIRER WILL INDEMNIFY THE COMPANY Only an idiot would take the hirer to court. His defense would be that his contract with regard to insurance was with the hire company, and fulfilled his/her liability by paying a deposit or waver, end of. I note the latest claimant is claiming from the boat company and Anglo Welsh are paying for the damage caused. I now make that 7 claims against hire boat companies, and, well do I really need to keep repeating myself. LOL just for you. Probably as you're talking the same nonsense as others. Well, another claim from a HIRE BOAT COMPANY who have agreed to settle, and you still don't get it

A superior sense of humour possibly

Happy as Larry

I'm not wrong LOL What a shame you have to resort to that, says more about you me thinks. Please do the courtesy of supplying some kind of evidence I'm wrong as I have done for you. It seems this was debated last year. As well as myself, I recall that not only Starcoaster successfully claimed from the HIRE Company, but an accompanying boat in the same incident did also. Also reading through that thread it appears a couple of other boaters made claims from HIRE companies following similar impacts. So five successful claims from hire boaters. Not heard yet of any claim against a hirer. Surprise Surprise. It's not my fault people can't see the wood for the trees and post complete and utter bollox based on nothing what so ever. I would suggest that anyone having an issue with a hire boat collision get information from a solicitor. Hire boat companies will be laughing their socks off at the ignorance shown on here by certain posters, and easily fob people off based on some of the crap posted, Include yourself in that Tommy.

Clearly you do Muppet LOL Only joking t&c I'm laughing LOL Nite!

Because they undertake to do so by being required to have insurance. The hire company has an agreement with the hirer, as you can see in the terms and conditions allowing the the right for the hire company to claim back from the hirer any claims they may receive from a 3rd party. Again the hirer liability is to the company and why the hire companies require a deposit from them. I neither know or care, my claim is against the hire company not the hirer. No it isn't The hirer of the boat has either paid a deposit or waver for deposit, the hirers agreement is with the hire company, the company either have the deposit or accepted a waver fee to cover the deposit. The hirer has passed on his liability in doing so in exactly the same way as you do with your car insurance. Blimey the claims are made against the owner of the vehicle, his liability is taken on by the insurance company except for any excess he/she agreed to pay. Clearly you are completely clueless LOL As usual it seems

Their not forced to have insurance, their required either to pay the required insurance excess the hire boat company requires or a waver to cover the same. The hirer is not insuring the boat, the hire company is, the hirers contract with the hire company is to cover the company's excess. Insurance diverts liability from the driver to the insurance company except for any excess requirement. Quite simple really LOL And if you look at the hire company's contract you'll see the company requires indemnity from the hirer against any claim from a third party.

They are liable to the hire boat company, not the 3rd party claimant. Read the terms & cons. I really don't give a toss what you believe. As I said to another member, good luck claiming from a hirer if you get hit by a hire boat.

Who said they could? You mean the Hirer surely Well that's different than you posted earlier in the thread LOL, you're getting there though! Stating the obvious LOL I don't need to be, as the hire company is liable being the the owner of the boat and hopefully the insured.

Responsibility and liability are 2 different things. If I have an accident in my car through wreckless driving, I could be prosecuted, however my insurers will be the people paying out to any third party, as I have paid for a policy agreement for them to cover my Liability in such an event.

Thank you Exactly as a hire boat company has to also, and the people you should claim from if they cause damage to your boat. They are liable either with or without insurance. Again complete and utter nonsense. You don't need to be in any kind of agreement being a 3rd party claimant. And please explain how that would come about. A hire boat hit's you and damages your boat, you claim against the company. Where does this mythical arrangement arise Again I'm stunned you can't comprehend the terms and conditions of a hire boat company. The company insures the boat and its equipment and inventory against public liability risks. The company’s insurance does not cover personal accidents or loss or damage to personal effects. Hirers and their crews are advised to take out their own personal insurance cover. The price does not include a compulsory accidental damage waiver per booking. Accidental damage waiver excludes damage arising from speeding, contact with a lock sill causing damage to the rudder, skeg or stern gear, TV aerials, chimneys, malicious or intentional damage to the boat. Also excluded is malicious or intentional damage to other boats and property and the late return of the boat and return of the boat in unclean condition. The Hirer will indemnify the Company against all costs, damage, expenses, liability and claims howsoever arising from the negligence, neglect or default of the Hirer to the extent that they are not covered by the company’s policy.

. Hire company Terms & cons suggest the opposit LOL 3rd party Insurance is a requirement for boat hire companies. If they dispute you could go through arbitration if you wished, it's not compulsory though so you can sue. More gobbledegook What contract, how could a 3rd party victim have any kind of contract with the offending boat LOL A third party claims from the boat hire company, you clearly haven't read the terms & cons of a boat hire company, or you you simply can't understand them. So then you agree, the boat hire company has to insure at minimum against 3rd party claims. So who in their right mind would try to claim from the hirer. If the hirer is liable, then why does the hire company require such redress from the hirer in it's terms and conditions, and why does the hirer require a deposit of waver? Try to apply some common sense LOL and also as a reminder that the insurance covers reasonable circumstances, not the results of negligence, neglect or default on the part of the hirer. Again you are agreeing with my position that the boat hire company are the insured. they are saying that any 3rd party claim their insurance won't cover due to the hirers negligence, gives the right for the hire company to claim those costs from the hirer. Nowhere does it suggest the hirer is liable to the 3rd party only to THE COMPANY Incorrect again. If the Boat hire companies insurance doesn't pay up, then you have an option of arbitration or indeed taking the insurance to court. The hirer's liability is to the hire company not the third party as the terms and conditions clearly state. I will state again if you're hit b a hire boat you claim is against the company hiring or owning it. The hirer's liability is to the company. Thank you again for propping up my assertion than any claim for damage is made against the boat hire company and not the hirer.

And exactly the reason if you have an accident in a hire car and damage another car, the damaged cars owner claims from the hire companies insurance who are liable. It would be ridiculous to suggest that he pursues the driver, as it is ridiculous to suggest pursuing the hirer of a boat. Unless of course you agreed with the hire company to take full responsibility for the vehicles insurance. Another analogy is if you own a car, it's insured for any driver over 25. You lend it to your 26 year old mate. He crashes in you your parked car. You'r claim is against the car owner, his is liable. The driver might be at fault and responsible, but it's up to the car owner if he wants to pursue his mate for any losses he incurred due to the 3rd party claim. That has nothing to do with the 3rd party though who claims from the owner/insured.

Nothing's been explained at all, no one has offered anything what so ever to back up their nonsensical claims. The gist of the thread is who to claim from, clearly the hire boat company as they insure the boat. Blimey are you really that dense, what do you think insurance is for LOL When you pay for your car insurance, except for any access you agree to pay, you are passing on liability to the insurance company. That's what your insurance premium pays for FFS

Is that gobbledegook LOL Where exactly have a called anyone names or screamed. And are you now conceding I'm right Why would a person need to do this when the boat by law has to be insured by the hire company or boat owner. Yes that being the boat hire company who require an excess deposit or waver for such deposit. You see, you're actually backing my claims now LOL Of course not, as I've stated, the 3rd party claims from the Boat hire company. Thanks again for backing my position. The hirer is liable for either the required deposit or waver for such deposit. Beyond that insurance takes on the liability, exactly what it's there for. I'm astonished you cant understand the terms & conditions that have been posted that the hire company insures the boat, and requires the hirer to indemnify then in the instance of a claim. Completely wrong. If the hire company doesn't play ball they you can take action against the hire company. Complete and utter nonsense. Anyone can take action against anyone else. The person liable is the company. It the terms posted it clearly states the hirer will indemnify the company for and claim made against them. Again your inability to understand simple terms & conditions is a shock. So now you shoot yourself in the foot by agreeing that the hire boat company BY regulation has to insure not only the boat but the person operating it, except for any deposit or CDW that is required by THE HIRE BOAT COMPANY Indeed I did, which instead of a hire boat company trying to fob me off with the kind of bollox you are. The hire boat company agreed to paid up. I note you don't seem to back up your complete and utter nonsense with anything what so ever. At least when I accuse people of being wrong, I produce some credible evidence that they are. As I've stated numerous times. If you're hit by a hire boat, your claim is against the hire boat company. The Hirer will indemnify the Company and the Boat Owner against all costs, damage, expenses, liability and claims howsoever arising from the negligence, neglect or default of the Hirer to the extent that they are not covered by the Company’s policy. THE COMPANY

Ok so please point out where exactly you perceive am I wrong ???????

Truck size required for a boat will burn 8 to 10 MPG At over 6.00 per gallon is ball park 60p per mile or more. A 200 mile trip would cost £120.00 let alone accounting or charging for wear & tear on the truck. On a local job though the company will probably require a full day rate even if the truck is only used for a couple of hours. I had to pay this on a couple of occasions already.

A B Tuckey Google Boat Transport, you'll get a multitude of companies. Logistically It's probably best to use a company either based in your collection area or the delivery area. Do shop around though prices vary a lot. We have used AB Tuckey and were excellent and the best price for our required trip.