Historic Boats for sale online

[alan_fincher]

1 hour ago, junior said:

3 pot Lister with marine gearbox on Facebook market place for £500 at the moment. 

 

Is that the SL2?  If so, they list as having just 9.5 HP - that is decidedly inadequate for a full sized Large Woolwich, even on a canal, let alone on a River.



I don't recall ever seeing a working H series engine with gearbox below £2K - if it were I'd expect it to be in fairly poor condition.

Edited June 27, 2023 by alan_fincher
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[magnetman]

probably not an SL2 if it is a 3 pot!

[alan_fincher]

35 minutes ago, magnetman said:

probably not an SL2 if it is a 3 pot!

 

Fair comment, but the only one i could see at £500, to include a gearbox.

[Francis Herne]

Probably this one: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/916857322930366/

 

HA3? with an SL4 gearbox. In need of work but doesn't look totally knackered to my inexpert eye.

Edited June 27, 2023 by Francis Herne

[alan_fincher]

2 hours ago, Francis Herne said:

Probably this one: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/916857322930366/

 

HA3? with an SL4 gearbox. In need of work but doesn't look totally knackered to my inexpert eye.

 

It is listed as "Spares or Repairs", so I doubt it is a running engine.

 

I'm no great expert but don't think it looks like an HA3.  My gut feel is that it is a less powerful engine.

[MtB]

5 minutes ago, alan_fincher said:

I'm no great expert but don't think it looks like an HA3.

 

Don't undersell yourself. You know perfectly well it looks nothing like an HA3! 

 

 

[stagedamager]

I've got a lovely HA3 with a Blackstone Box we are looking to sell in the not too distant future...........

[Francis Herne]

1 hour ago, MtB said:

You know perfectly well it looks nothing like an HA3!

 

Oh well, at least this time I doubted myself enough to add a "?" after being totally wrong! 🤐

(What is it then?)

Edited June 27, 2023 by Francis Herne

[magnetman]

Lister SR/SL/ST 3.

 

I'd go for SR3 as a shot in the dark. 

I don't think there is much to tell the difference but this is the one in the ad

 

 

Odd that they took a picture of the gearbox plate but failed to image the engine plate which would give the detail needed.

[alan_fincher]

16 hours ago, MtB said:

Don't undersell yourself. You know perfectly well it looks nothing like an HA3!

 

I do have an HA3 in the garage, so if it is really important I  could try comparing it to the pictures in the advert.

I've never seen an HA2 or HA3 mated to a Lister gearbox that wasn't the usual Blackstone one.

 

I think that the punier gearbox in the add points to it being a less powerful engine - S series rather than H series.

Edited June 28, 2023 by alan_fincher
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[James Owen]

ST3 with a LH100 gearbox.

[Francis Herne]

On 27/06/2023 at 10:17, David Mack said:

If it was the surveyor who thought an original elm bottom had been replaced in steel, then I wouldn't place much credence in his report!

In that light, are there surveyors particularly known or recommended for their knowledge of historic boats?

 

(I had the opposite problem with Lark, being aluminium as un-historic as narrowboats get and thus also quite different from the average).

Edited June 29, 2023 by Francis Herne

[furnessvale]

4 hours ago, Francis Herne said:

In that light, are there surveyors particularly known or recommended for their knowledge of historic boats?

 

(I had the opposite problem with Lark, being aluminium as un-historic as narrowboats get and thus also quite different from the average).

Yes, such surveyors exist, and and highly recommended if you don't want trouble in having a survey of an old boat done.

[BuckbyLocks]

Bognor was one of the Trainees motors, captained by New Zealander Cicely Ramsay, paired with Dodona.. Was around in Gas Street in the early 70s, with a JP2 and a doubtful gearbox. Believe it went to Bristol when sold and was converted. Bow thruster and fancy engine fitted. Saw it once in Bristol but didn't know the owners. The Missis made a full length crochet curtain for the bedhole in the cabin but expect that is long gone. It was a nice boat, apart from the gearbox!

 

[David Mack]

5 hours ago, Francis Herne said:

In that light, are there surveyors particularly known or recommended for their knowledge of historic boats?

We have had both Fulbourne and Belfast surveyed by Mike Carter. Nice bloke who knows his stuff, and knows where historic boats are likely to have thin plating, pitting and other potential problems. Does most of his inspection with a hammer rather than just relying on a grid of ultrasound thickness measurements that may or may not be taken at the thinnest points.

[Admiral]

Yarmouth

Interesting history. 

[sparrowcycles]

Yarmouth

 

https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-traditional-for-sale/736257

[magnetman]

Formerly owned by @Derek R. of this parish. 

 

 

[Tonka]

2 hours ago, sparrowcycles said:

Yarmouth

 

https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-traditional-for-sale/736257

and it has an altinator, what ever one of those are

[spud]

renown

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304984056340?hash=item4702776214:g:eS0AAOSwZSNkW8BL&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwIV%2BVAmk%2BlJb5BiBzHAsNp4ql6VHQQZn6pM5CrKvAry3cQA3eUcb8snbn7Hl75MMnmpAh%2BNokNmWKPZda91o2A%2BBRT3mxHpMh%2B33tjutrLIjgy7hjiq45%2F9iPQA5a9okoJ0o7JqriaNRUkGm1AJN%2Fzgt26Ms81PwouPypLJ6IjeZd32T%2Blyd%2FWOW7S2%2B32DSH3AcfeegyTI1J45RSrWoMvPBhCfsXAD%2FcwcJO4yPabSEcunjx27H5dfPxw5G2wkHpQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4z_94GjYg

[Francis Herne]

Motorised butty, if it has a Lister?

 

Price seems high to me even with the increase in boat prices recently: it's well above the previous sale (which gave much more useful information) despite a few years of apparent neglect.

 

Previous listing https://boats-from.co.uk/not-specified/historic-narrowboat-1898-bantock-butty-72-liveaboard-719206

[Derek R.]

YARMOUTH - Very sorry to hear of the passing of the owner. I remember him coming to view in Berko in 1992, very enthusiastic.

My sincere condolences to the family. Still open plan within, and the back cabin hasn't changed - even the vinyl covered foam was as we had it.

 

The back cabin was built and decorated by the late Chris Lloyd. The style of castles Chris painted were of those done by Fred Winnet, though as Chris said at the time: "But I spared you the Claytons cabbages!" Still looks good, though the range has had it. It was a good home to us from '82 - '92, our first born was slung in a hammock above our feet in that back cabin from Winter of '87.

 

Nice to see inside again. We never did get to panel it out in our ownership. Well done that man.

 

 

Edited July 2, 2023 by Derek R.

[magnetman]

9 minutes ago, Derek R. said:

YARMOUTH - Very sorry to hear of the passing of the owner. I remember him coming to view in Berko in 1992, very enthusiastic.

My sincere condolences to the family. Still open plan within, and the back cabin hasn't changed - even the vinyl covered foam was as we had it.

 

The back cabin was built and decorated by the late Chris Lloyd. The style of castles Chris painted were of those done by Fred Winnet, though as Chris said at the time: "But I spared you the Claytons cabbages!" Still looks good, though the range has had it. It was a good home to us from '82 - '92, our first born was slung in a hammock above our feet in that back cabin from Winter of '87.

 

Nice to see inside again. We never did get to panel it out in our ownership. Well done that man.

 

I didn't notice the owner had died.

 

RIP.

 

I knew him as "Teacher Paul" when he was around Rickmansworth with Yarmouth in the mid 00s.  He had a woman and two daughters and a flat in a famous tower in Notting Hill. 

 

I seem to remember at the time the boat was sprayfoamed but not lined out which gave it rather a nice cave like feel to it.

 

Nice boat that. 

 

 

[Derek R.]

Nor I, It's in the last line of the 'description'.

[roland elsdon]

One of the first sprayfoamed boats as i recall.

comments about heating her through the winter with a candle were made.

All black as i remember .