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[magnetman]

Uxter plate need renewing? 

 

 

 

[David Mack]

6 minutes ago, magnetman said:

Uxter plate need renewing? 

 

 

 

As far as I can tell from the photos the hull has been refooted to above the bottom guard, but retaining the original chine angles. This is the sort of repair many GU boats had during BW days. There don't appear to be any other significant hull repairs. Which probably means some significant work is now needed.

[magnetman]

30 minutes ago, David Mack said:

As far as I can tell from the photos the hull has been refooted to above the bottom guard, but retaining the original chine angles. This is the sort of repair many GU boats had during BW days. There don't appear to be any other significant hull repairs. Which probably means some significant work is now needed.

I was wondering what those two plasma cut steel plates are for.

In the photo. 

Edited June 27, 2023 by magnetman

[alan_fincher]

20 hours ago, magnetman said:

Turbo Perkins 4107 sounds a bit strange..

 

It sounds "unusual" to me, and frankly far from suitable.

However this Wikipedia suggests they were a thing, but also seems to question if any were ever built.
 

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Four-cylinder, 107.5 cu. in. (1.8 L) turbocharged diesel engine. Wet sleeves. Very rare (perhaps never produced).

 

[junior]

4 hours ago, alan_fincher said:

 

Even "fit a new cabin range" is a bit of a challenge at the moment.  I'm not aware of anybody supplying new ones suitable for use in the back cabin of a motor, and spares seem very difficult for a used one.

 

That sounds a bit optimistic.  I've not seen evidence of Lister H series engines in good order for as little money as that, and you are definitely going to need a new prop, which don't come cheaply in sizes suitable for those Listers

I know Joe Fuller was selling a Lister engine (possibly with gearbox) for less than £1k recently. 

 

I'm not saying it wouldn't need a fair bit of money on it, I'm just saying that assuming the hull is sound, you can do some of the work yourself and you wanted to de-convert it and the boat could be got for around £30k, then you could probably do it all for less than the price of some of the already unconverted motors for sale recently. 

3 pot Lister with marine gearbox on Facebook market place for £500 at the moment. 

[alan_fincher]

1 hour ago, junior said:

3 pot Lister with marine gearbox on Facebook market place for £500 at the moment. 

 

Is that the SL2?  If so, they list as having just 9.5 HP - that is decidedly inadequate for a full sized Large Woolwich, even on a canal, let alone on a River.



I don't recall ever seeing a working H series engine with gearbox below £2K - if it were I'd expect it to be in fairly poor condition.

Edited June 27, 2023 by alan_fincher
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[magnetman]

probably not an SL2 if it is a 3 pot!

[alan_fincher]

35 minutes ago, magnetman said:

probably not an SL2 if it is a 3 pot!

 

Fair comment, but the only one i could see at £500, to include a gearbox.

[Francis Herne]

Probably this one: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/916857322930366/

 

HA3? with an SL4 gearbox. In need of work but doesn't look totally knackered to my inexpert eye.

Edited June 27, 2023 by Francis Herne

[alan_fincher]

2 hours ago, Francis Herne said:

Probably this one: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/916857322930366/

 

HA3? with an SL4 gearbox. In need of work but doesn't look totally knackered to my inexpert eye.

 

It is listed as "Spares or Repairs", so I doubt it is a running engine.

 

I'm no great expert but don't think it looks like an HA3.  My gut feel is that it is a less powerful engine.

[MtB]

5 minutes ago, alan_fincher said:

I'm no great expert but don't think it looks like an HA3.

 

Don't undersell yourself. You know perfectly well it looks nothing like an HA3! 

 

 

[stagedamager]

I've got a lovely HA3 with a Blackstone Box we are looking to sell in the not too distant future...........

[Francis Herne]

1 hour ago, MtB said:

You know perfectly well it looks nothing like an HA3!

 

Oh well, at least this time I doubted myself enough to add a "?" after being totally wrong! 🤐

(What is it then?)

Edited June 27, 2023 by Francis Herne

[magnetman]

Lister SR/SL/ST 3.

 

I'd go for SR3 as a shot in the dark. 

I don't think there is much to tell the difference but this is the one in the ad

 

 

Odd that they took a picture of the gearbox plate but failed to image the engine plate which would give the detail needed.

[alan_fincher]

16 hours ago, MtB said:

Don't undersell yourself. You know perfectly well it looks nothing like an HA3!

 

I do have an HA3 in the garage, so if it is really important I  could try comparing it to the pictures in the advert.

I've never seen an HA2 or HA3 mated to a Lister gearbox that wasn't the usual Blackstone one.

 

I think that the punier gearbox in the add points to it being a less powerful engine - S series rather than H series.

Edited June 28, 2023 by alan_fincher
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[James Owen]

ST3 with a LH100 gearbox.

[Francis Herne]

On 27/06/2023 at 10:17, David Mack said:

If it was the surveyor who thought an original elm bottom had been replaced in steel, then I wouldn't place much credence in his report!

In that light, are there surveyors particularly known or recommended for their knowledge of historic boats?

 

(I had the opposite problem with Lark, being aluminium as un-historic as narrowboats get and thus also quite different from the average).

Edited June 29, 2023 by Francis Herne

[furnessvale]

4 hours ago, Francis Herne said:

In that light, are there surveyors particularly known or recommended for their knowledge of historic boats?

 

(I had the opposite problem with Lark, being aluminium as un-historic as narrowboats get and thus also quite different from the average).

Yes, such surveyors exist, and and highly recommended if you don't want trouble in having a survey of an old boat done.

[BuckbyLocks]

Bognor was one of the Trainees motors, captained by New Zealander Cicely Ramsay, paired with Dodona.. Was around in Gas Street in the early 70s, with a JP2 and a doubtful gearbox. Believe it went to Bristol when sold and was converted. Bow thruster and fancy engine fitted. Saw it once in Bristol but didn't know the owners. The Missis made a full length crochet curtain for the bedhole in the cabin but expect that is long gone. It was a nice boat, apart from the gearbox!

 

[David Mack]

5 hours ago, Francis Herne said:

In that light, are there surveyors particularly known or recommended for their knowledge of historic boats?

We have had both Fulbourne and Belfast surveyed by Mike Carter. Nice bloke who knows his stuff, and knows where historic boats are likely to have thin plating, pitting and other potential problems. Does most of his inspection with a hammer rather than just relying on a grid of ultrasound thickness measurements that may or may not be taken at the thinnest points.

[Admiral]

Yarmouth

Interesting history. 

[sparrowcycles]

Yarmouth

 

https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-traditional-for-sale/736257

[magnetman]

Formerly owned by @Derek R. of this parish. 

 

 

[Tonka]

2 hours ago, sparrowcycles said:

Yarmouth

 

https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-traditional-for-sale/736257

and it has an altinator, what ever one of those are

[spud]

renown

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