Entitled Historic Boat Owners

[GUMPY]

[Hudds Lad]

Few arrived at Hawkesbury this afternoon, not in anyone’s way. Only other I can see is opposite the pub just by the bridge. 
 

 

[Justin Smith]

On 27/06/2024 at 09:10, nicknorman said:

So you think it is ok to moor on a water point/services/lock landing, and people shouldn’t object to it? Are you a historic boat owner by any chance?

One should obviously not ordinarily moor up at a water point, but how about this scenario :  it is literally starting to go dark and there is no mooring available, either because it is all taken or it is all too shallow. At that time of night it is highly unlikely any boat would want to moor for water. Is it so wrong to moor there so long as one moves first thing in the morning ?

[Tonka]

1 minute ago, Justin Smith said:

One should obviously not ordinarily moor up at a water point, but how about this scenario :  it is literally starting to go dark and there is no mooring available, either because it is all taken or it is all too shallow. At that time of night it is highly unlikely any boat would want to moor for water. Is it so wrong to moor there so long as one moves first thing in the morning ?

What is first thing in the morning to you is not first thing in the morning to someone else 

[Paul C]

8 hours ago, Justin Smith said:

One should obviously not ordinarily moor up at a water point, but how about this scenario :  it is literally starting to go dark and there is no mooring available, either because it is all taken or it is all too shallow. At that time of night it is highly unlikely any boat would want to moor for water. Is it so wrong to moor there so long as one moves first thing in the morning ?

Sounds like poor planning

[Stroudwater1]

36 minutes ago, Paul C said:

Sounds like poor planning

Not everyone plans each stop, Apart from the day we need to get back and the journeys aim we seldom do. We find it’s more fun that way for us.
 

Others I appreciate like to plan every stop. The way we do it probably means we manage to get further but sometimes can’t stop at honeypots. 

 Horses for courses I guess. 
 

Incidentally I believe where the second pair of historics are moored states reserved for CRT craft! 

[Rob-M]

4 minutes ago, Stroudwater1 said:

Incidentally I believe where the second pair of historics are moored states reserved for CRT craft!

I stopped there the other day to empty the elsan and I'm fairly sure the sign said reserved for work boats, no mention of CRT only.

[David Mack]

1 hour ago, Paul C said:

Sounds like poor planning

How do you plan that there will be a free mooring space at your planned overnight stop location, and that somebody else won't have occupied it first?

[Higgs]

10 hours ago, Justin Smith said:

One should obviously not ordinarily moor up at a water point, but how about this scenario :  it is literally starting to go dark and there is no mooring available, either because it is all taken or it is all too shallow. At that time of night it is highly unlikely any boat would want to moor for water. Is it so wrong to moor there so long as one moves first thing in the morning ?

 

I don't think so, under the circumstances. As long as you're up before the larks fart.

 

 

[Arthur Marshall]

1 hour ago, Rob-M said:

I stopped there the other day to empty the elsan and I'm fairly sure the sign said reserved for work boats, no mention of CRT only.

I don't think 70 foot toys count as work boats any more than mine qualifies as a hire boat, seeing as how it hasn't been used as such for forty years.

24 minutes ago, David Mack said:

How do you plan that there will be a free mooring space at your planned overnight stop location, and that somebody else won't have occupied it first?

You give yourself time to find another mooring?

[Athy]

We uave moored on lock landings, but only in France where the electric locks are not switched on until nine in the morning - by which time we were ready to go. If another boat had turned up, we would have invited them to moor alongside us.

[cheesegas]

11 hours ago, Justin Smith said:

Is it so wrong to moor there so long as one moves first thing in the morning ?

Just don’t be a dick about it if someone doubles up to you at 6am like I’ve done to boats on the water point at Brentford on the way to the Thames…

 

If it’s genuinely a really crap situation then stop there overnight but if someone needs to use the point then don’t get mad. 

[Mike Todd]

3 hours ago, Rob-M said:

I stopped there the other day to empty the elsan and I'm fairly sure the sign said reserved for work boats, no mention of CRT only.

I do not think that 'work' boats = (once) 'working' boats

[MtB]

5 minutes ago, Mike Todd said:

I do not think that 'work' boats = (once) 'working' boats

 

Quite. 

 

Work boats = boats doing work, not poncing about in shiny paint jobs on the way to canal festivals.

 

 

[Tonka]

1 minute ago, MtB said:

 

Quite. 

 

Work boats = boats doing work, not poncing about in shiny paint jobs on the way to canal festivals.

 

 

What about tatty historic boats.

[Arthur Marshall]

1 hour ago, Tonka said:

What about tatty historic boats.

They're fine as long as they only moor on nonfunctioning water points and broken lock landings. Plenty of those about.

[MtB]

Broken lock landing? 

 

How can a lock landing break? 

 

 

[SLC]

My wife met one of these boats at Braunston last week who had gone past the marina and intended to reverse using the Oxford canal junction. Going far to fast, didn't try to look around the corner and my wife who was going dead slow as that corner is awkward especially with the water point had to slam into reverse. I would hardly argue it was a sense of entitlement, just another case of someone not thinking or distracted. Hardly peculiar to heritage boats.

[Mike Todd]

23 minutes ago, MtB said:

Broken lock landing? 

 

How can a lock landing break? 

 

 

In the summer after acquiring our (then new and shiny) boat 7 years ago, we were cruising along the L&L and came to a bridge landing - a semi mechanised bridge ( think, but certainly one with an offside lock landing structure. As the boat was bring brought onto the landing, steerer did not spot that the structure was 'broken' - ie had a serious bit protruding above the gunnel level. It caught on the folded back side windows and tore one door from its hinge - it took some effort to find someone in that area able and willing to do the small weld job needed for repair.

 

So, yes they can be broken (lock as well as bridge ones) and the consequences can be expensive!

[cuthound]

16 hours ago, Tonka said:

What is first thing in the morning to you is not first thing in the morning to someone else 

 

Indeed, a couple of years ago at Great Haywood I breasted up to.a boat "overnighting" on a water point at 8:00 am and was confronted by an irate man in pyjamas wanting to know what the hell I was doing.

 

From his belligerent attitude you would have thought I had disturbed him at 2:00am... 😂🤣

[GUMPY]

I have been known to stop for water before 6am whether I needed it or not 😱

[David Mack]

5 hours ago, MtB said:

Work boats = boats doing work, not poncing about in shiny paint jobs on the way to canal festivals

Does that include those CRT 'work boats' that seem to spend long periods loosely attached to the bank by bits of frayed blue string and never seemingly engaged in any actual 'work'?

[MtB]

23 minutes ago, David Mack said:

Does that include those CRT 'work boats' that seem to spend long periods loosely attached to the bank by bits of frayed blue string and never seemingly engaged in any actual 'work'?

 

That's awfully mooring line-ist of you....

[Ray T]

5 hours ago, MtB said:

Broken lock landing? 

 

How can a lock landing break? 

 

 

Like this?

Calcutt March 2006.

 

Edited July 1 by Ray T

[MtB]

27 minutes ago, Ray T said:

Like this?

Calcutt March 2006.

 

 

 

Ok I give in. Historic boats should be allowed to moor on broken lock landings as per the proposal I was quibbling with!

 

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