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Justin Smith

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    Swimming, boating, TV/radio transmission, railways and my family, not necessarily in that order.

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  1. Justin Smith

    Hire boat fuel charges

    I asked the bloke form the hire company about gas heating and he said there was "all sorts of safety implications about it and that was why it wasn`t fitted to hire boats any more". Whether that`s true or not, the cynic in me says if you were a hire company and could hire a boat out where the customers paid for the heating (rather than you), what would you do ? ! ?
  2. Justin Smith

    Hire boat fuel charges

    As I understand it the grill was being used as a space heater whilst the men were sleeping. That`s obviously more risky, but, one would like to know, did the grill involved have a gas shut off for no flame ? If so was it working ? And the boat did not have a carbon monoxide detector...... As a side point one could argue that, if safety at all costs was the number one priority and cookers heat was deemed dangerous, hire companies should be including the fuel as part of the hire charges because to not do so is obviously going to encourage people to use the ("free") heat from the cooker as a heater.
  3. Justin Smith

    Hire boat fuel charges

    AFAIK carbon monoxide is marginally lighter than air, carbon dioxide is heavier than air. On this subject, I though all boats had carbon monoxide alarms ? The last boat we hired certainly did.
  4. Justin Smith

    Hire boat fuel charges

    Under what circumstances would it be inadvisable ? We`re assuming the hob has working thermocouples to turn off the gas should the flame go out and the boat has ventilators in the ceiling (for the carbon monoxide), but I thought these were both legal requirements ? If the aforementioned thermocouples aren`t working one would think it`s also inadvisable to use the hob for cooking. A hob gives off heat as a by product of cooking, why is it OK to use that heat as a by product of cooking, but not on its own ?
  5. Justin Smith

    I want one of these lock windlasses ! ! !

    Love it.
  6. Justin Smith

    I want one of these lock windlasses ! ! !

    I did see a lady out on the Shroppie using one of these : https://britmarine.net/product/nova-windlass-4-head/ I reckon I`ll get my wife to buy me one for my Birthday. I do have a long throw windlass but it hardly ever gets used because you can`t be sure there`ll be room to swing it and if there isn`t you have to walk back to the boat to fetch a "normal" one, thus I don`t usually bother with it. I still reckon having 6 heads would be even better (close ones for winding down a paddle) !
  7. Justin Smith

    Hire boat fuel charges

    But if a canal boat rotates about the mid point, and the right rear is hard up against the wall, how do you get the front to swing to the left ? I`m assuming there isn`t a slight northwards current up the S & W which would then get the bows started in the direction you want to go in.
  8. Justin Smith

    Hire boat fuel charges

    A bit of good news here. When we got back to the hire base (Viking boat hire, JD boats Gailey wharf) they only charged us 96p per litre. By my reckoning that's only a few pence more than Turner`s, so I had no problem paying it. It`s just a pity I didn`t know that price at the start of the hire ! The boat from Viking, Niord a 60 ft NB for two and a half of us, was pretty good actually. A few things went wrong but almost every hire boat we`ve ever had a few things go wrong so I didn`t hold that against them. It was well equipped, including with that holy of holies (for a hireboat) a reasonable number of hooks and shelves ! We used about 67 litres of fuel taking it easy doing about 73 miles (to Market Drayton and back * ) and with the heating on about 4 or 5 hours a day. We tried to make maximum use of the heat from the (gas, and therefore not chargeable) hob ! The negative is it just emphasises how much of a rip off was the £1.45 per litre that Alpha Craft charged us....... * Question : how are you supposed to turn sharp left out of the Shroppie onto the Staffs and Worcs when you`ve just come out of a lock and are hard up against the side (so can`t get the rear to swing to the right) ? When it appeared to be impossible to get round we could only think to to reverse back in and then cheat by pushing the bows out..... The seller of the fuel could tell them the normal split is 60/40 ?
  9. Justin Smith

    Hire boat fuel charges

    I`m sure the hire company won`t be charging the same price as Turners ! The salient word in my post (when trying to estimate the hire companies margin) was the hire company must be buying diesel cheaper then Turners are selling it. Being a bit of a cynic I do wonder what the main reason for the locked fuel cap on a hire boat is..... And, as I said, what they`d have answered had I phoned them to ask what the combination was.
  10. Justin Smith

    Hire boat fuel charges

    Can we just confirm there is no legitimate reason for the fuel filler cap to be locked shut (e.g. "for tax purposes") ? As far as I understand it the boat or owner has to be part of a scheme declaring the % split, is that right ? 90p per litre would be 27p a litre more than Turners, not far off 50% more expensive. Bearing in mind the hire company must surely be buying the diesel cheaper than Turners are selling it that must equate to a 50% mark up. If they can get away with it in open competition fine, but forcing the customer to buy from them by padlocking the fuel filler is not open competition. I personally think it`s exploitation.
  11. Justin Smith

    Boating holidays in the school holidays : price-wise

    I have copied this answer to the more relevant (specific) thread about hire boat fuel charges :
  12. Justin Smith

    Hire boat fuel charges

    I have copied this post from a different thread, it`s more relevant on this one "We were going to do this [buying cheaper diesel from an alternative supplier], there`s cheap diesel for sale at Wheaton Aston, but, after mooring up there to do so, discovered the fuel filler was padlocked shut...... I have to say I`ll be very interested to see what the hire company charge us for the diesel top up. The chap at Wheaton Aston said his zero tax diesel was 63p a litre and full tax £1.09. The hire company will surely be claiming some tax off as heating etc ? I`ll be quite upset if the hire company charge even 90p a litre, certainly £1."
  13. Justin Smith

    Boating holidays in the school holidays : price-wise

    I remembered I started a topic on hire boat fuel charges back in 2015, it`s here : In that thread we got charged a whopping £1.45 per litre for the fuel from Alpha Craft (Brundall, on The Broads). Knowing what I know now (and that the tax split would normally be 60% propulsion and 40% heating etc) I`ll go up the wall if we get charged anywhere near £1.45 per litre by ABC Boat Hire. I`ve learnt from this though, when we next hire a boat I`ll ask how much we`re expected to pay for diesel when we pick up the boat, and if it`s excessive I`ll ask for the key (or the code) to any padlock there and then. To be fair I did ask "the engineer" but he was evasive, along the lines of "it varies". I was too busy trying to get the boat packed and us off onto the cut to take it any further.
  14. Justin Smith

    Boating holidays in the school holidays : price-wise

    It`s a number lock. I wonder what they would have said had I phoned up and asked for the combination......
  15. Justin Smith

    Boating holidays in the school holidays : price-wise

    We were going to do this, there`s cheap diesel for sale at Wheaton Aston, but, after mooring up there to do so, discovered the fuel filler was padlocked shut...... I have to say I`ll be very interested to see what the hire company charge us for the diesel top up. The chap at Wheaton Aston said his zero tax diesel was 63p a litre and full tax £1.09. The hire company will surely be claiming some tax off as heating etc ? I`ll be quite upset if the hire company charge even 90p a litre, certainly £1.
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