Double Glazing

[mrsmelly]

27 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Its actually glorious here going to get a shower shortly and go for a pint at the pub. I have been labouring after coming out of the dry dock cleaning stuff down and applying Owltrol to the paint work. Just glad we have a wheelhouse as it's so hot

Yes its horrendous, we are going for a beer in five minutes time. We havnt been since yesterday and someone has to keep the pubs open or before long we will just be left with Mac poxy donalds etc etc  Any boater who doent visit pubs, should have their boat taken off them and given to someone to use properly.

Edited July 10, 2022 by mrsmelly

[MrsM]

28 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Yes its horrendous, we are going for a beer in five minutes time. We havnt been since yesterday and someone has to keep the pubs open or before long we will just be left with Mac poxy donalds etc etc  Any boater who doent visit pubs, should have their boat taken off them and given to someone to use properly.

Talking of pubs, I am working with a group of pub professionals, investors and Co-ops UK to set up a multi-stakeholder social enterprise pub company. They are cherished amenities that are being decimated like never before, especially by greedy hedge funds and property developers. We will pay a modest return to investors (4-6%) but most profits will v reinvested in pubs. So I agree with mrsmelly - we absolutely need to support our pubs.

[IanD]

57 minutes ago, AndrewIC said:

That’ll be me then… it seemed like a good idea at the time. I think there may now be thermal break frames available, but frankly I probably wouldn’t bother with double glazed again. Ditto anodised frames, which also seemed like a good idea at the time

What was your problem with anodised frames? Was going to go for these rather than powder coated...

[AndrewIC]

1 minute ago, IanD said:

What was your problem with anodised frames? Was going to go for these rather than powder coated...

Eventually they go tatty, and there’s no sensible way to restore them.

[cuthound]

12 minutes ago, IanD said:

What was your problem with anodised frames? Was going to go for these rather than powder coated...

 

I wish my boat had been specified with anodised window frames rather than powder coated.

 

The two shareboats I had shares in are still going strong at 30 and 20 years old respectively and their gold anodised still look good, except for the one on the older boat that one of the bumpy co-owners tried to polish with Brasso... ☹️

Edited July 10, 2022 by cuthound
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[ditchcrawler]

4 hours ago, MrsM said:

I had a reversing camera/sensor on my Yaris and I really miss it. Can we please swap reversing cameras for bow thrusters in your list of unnecessary crap?

I have power steering on my car, is that equivalent to a bow thruster

[Ronaldo47]

You could consider your single-glazed windows to be a form of air conditioning that requires no operating power. Water will condense out of moist air on any surface having a temperature lower than its dew point, and if you are getting condensation on your windows, that means they are removing  moisture that would otherwise condense somewhere else inside your boat. 

[IanD]

1 hour ago, Ronaldo47 said:

You could consider your single-glazed windows to be a form of air conditioning that requires no operating power. Water will condense out of moist air on any surface having a temperature lower than its dew point, and if you are getting condensation on your windows, that means they are removing  moisture that would otherwise condense somewhere else inside your boat. 

Not necessarily, if the rest of the boat is warmer (above the dew point) it won't condense anywhere else...

[GUMPY]

I have single glazed windows and never get condensation on the glass or on the frame.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do have secondary glazing on magnetic strip that stays up most of the year and a well insulated boat

 

 

 

A condensation free boat can be achieved easily and relatively cheaply.

 

[Ronaldo47]

No experience with condensation in  boats, but in houses, the back of cupboards or wardrobes where air does not circulate freely, especially when located adjacent outside walls, can be sufficiently cool for condensation to take place.   

 

When I helped my son refurbish the kitchen of his double-glazed, well-insulated, flat,  the rear parts of the wall-mounted kitchen cupboards (melamine chipboard) mounted right  in the corner of two outside walls,  were in an advanced state of disintegration  due to condensation, and the wall behind was black with mould. He had had no visible signs of condensation.

Edited July 10, 2022 by Ronaldo47
kitchen comment added

[MtB]

I would never buy a boat with windows anyway!!

 

 

[blackrose]

18 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

And, thats why boat windows either slide or open inwards - imagine walking along the gunwale when someone opens the (outward opening) window and pushes you into the 'briny'.

 

Things are often as they are for a  good reason.

 

Like narrowboat side hatches? 🤔

Edited July 11, 2022 by blackrose

[LadyG]

19 hours ago, Tracy D'arth said:

At least 1 in 205? possibly even less. Any advance?

  Never felt the need for DG windows, now Houdinies certainly.

Even with double glazed windows you will get screaming condensation on the frame as there is no good thermal break in such a thin frame.

The UPVC solution is an abomination.

Agreed, I have nice Calderwood windows with metal anodised frames, I have added insulated linings to my standard curtains by tacking them on, they are also very effective in summer, boat is pretty cool, . windows are open to help with a draught.

In winter there is a bit of condensation on the lower side which I have now covered with a wide draught excluding rubber, this works and one sheet of paper towel will wipe of any condensation on all six windows. The curtains are quite thick and are wider than the glass by a good two inches, no gap in winter overnight.

My boat is warm and dry all winter, of course I liveaboard and keep the multi stove on 24/7.

Edited July 11, 2022 by LadyG

[Bargebuilder]

18 hours ago, cuthound said:

 

I wouldn't bother. Mine were powder coated from new (specified by the original owner).

 

After 7 years it started to bubble and then lift

I'm not sure whether you were unlucky or I was lucky, but my 15 year old powder coated and double glazed windows are still in excellent condition. Perhaps slightly faded and a bit less glossy, but no cracking, flaking or blistering.

 

Mine were made by a company who specialise in commercial sea going vessels, such as pilot boats, where perhaps standards are higher than for companies that only supply the hobby market; I don't know. These were the people: https://technauticmarinewindows.co.uk/

[peterboat]

16 hours ago, cuthound said:

 

I wish my boat had been specified with anodised window frames rather than powder coated.

 

The two shareboats I had shares in are still going strong at 30 and 20 years old respectively and their gold anodised still look good, except for the one on the older boat that one of the bumpy co-owners tried to polish with Brasso... ☹️

Mine are silver and still looking good at 14 years old

[Laura Bett]

Mine are gold in colour.  Excuse my ignorance but is this brass?  

[Tony Brooks]

14 minutes ago, Laura Bett said:

Mine are gold in colour.  Excuse my ignorance but is this brass?  

Almost certainly not, probably anodised aluminium.

[Laura Bett]

What do you clean them up with?

[Bargebuilder]

21 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

Almost certainly not, probably anodised aluminium.

Yes, probably anodised aluminium, but my powder coater did offer a gold colour too, so it might be a powder coat finish; it wasn't a great colour though.

[cuthound]

2 hours ago, Laura Bett said:

What do you clean them up with?

 

A damp microfibre cloth. If they are anodized aluminium and you use an abrasive cleaner or metal polish then you will eventually wear through thd gold anodised finish to reveal the aluminium.

[haggis]

4 hours ago, Laura Bett said:

What do you clean them up with?

A wipe with a  chamois when you clean the windows