Where I am

[Heartland]

Yes, very good

It was the home of John Sparrow, first clerk to the Trent & Mersey Canal. The role of a canal company clerk is often underestimated in ways such as what they did to get the canal bill through parliament and arrange for construction, land purchase etc

 

OK how about these stables ?

 

[Heartland]

A Clue- A canal on the Grand Union system built by John & James Pinkerton

 

[Victor Vectis]

On 17/04/2023 at 17:20, matty40s said:

Educating canal families children??Shuttleworth?

 

Any relation to John?

[archie57]

Makes me think of Shipley lock on the Erewash.....

[Captain Pegg]

5 hours ago, Heartland said:

A Clue- A canal on the Grand Union system built by John & James Pinkerton

 

 

3 hours ago, archie57 said:

Makes me think of Shipley lock on the Erewash.....

Is that in relation to the above question?

 

Erewash Canal is the answer.

[Heartland]

Yes,

 

Erewash Canal by lock 72 

 

Marvelous

 

 

 

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

I spotted this today.
The plaque is in a pub garden. 
Name the pub and What would I see if I looked out the front door?

 

 

 

 

 

[Derek R.]

Soho Foundry Tavern. And from the front door, you would be facing the porticoed entrance to Soho Foundry (as was).

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

19 minutes ago, Derek R. said:

Soho Foundry Tavern. And from the front door, you would be facing the porticoed entrance to Soho Foundry (as was).

Yes 👍

 

It was a happy discovery for me.  

 

[Heartland]

Remarkable in a pub, how unusual. I heard it said that Charlie Chaplin grew up at Black Patch Park

 

Now where could this be and what is the importance of the structure in the foreground?

It is still there but now surrounded by hoardings and in poor condition. The date of construction is said to be 1847.

 

Edited April 22 by Heartland

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

2 minutes ago, Heartland said:

Remarkable in a pub, how unusual. I heard it said that Charlie Chaplin grew up at Black Patch Park

Yes, the story in the pub is Charlie Chaplin was born in the park. But hey, whether true or not 🤷‍♀️

My mate in Cornwall is a Scarret and always reckoned he was from gypsy stock. His grandmother he discovered was a gypsy from Bilston. By coincidence he was dealing in Romany Caravans at the the time. So it was an added interest when I saw the name Scarret on the plaque. 
 

 

right, the photo, looks

like BCN again…but where..

[Rob-M]

1 hour ago, Heartland said:

Remarkable in a pub, how unusual. I heard it said that Charlie Chaplin grew up at Black Patch Park

 

Now where could this be and what is the importance of the structure in the foreground?

It is still there but now surrounded by hoardings and in poor condition. The date of construction is said to be 1847.

 

Is it some of the old warehouses by Gloucester Docks...?

[David Mack]

My first thought was Langley Maltings, but I don't think it is.

[TheBiscuits]

1 hour ago, Rob-M said:

Is it some of the old warehouses by Gloucester Docks...?

 

That's my first thought.

 

There's some similar in Liverpool but I don't think they have as many stories.

[Heartland]

Yes Gloucester Docks, what makes this of interest is that it was a Midland Railway canal and railway interchange point. Some sources refer to coke ovens being built there for MR locomotives, but that has be checked as has any earlier sidings that were Birmingham & Gloucester Railway in origin, That this structure remains is remarkable.

 

Of course the taller structure adjacent was a separate structure, called the "Pillar Warehouse".

 

Edited April 23 by Heartland

[Rob-M]

View from the road

[Derek R.]

It's 1886, it's on a river. Someone's going to know.

 

[Jen-in-Wellies]

Gasworks Bridge. River Thames, Oxford.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasworks_Bridge

By Omassey - Own work, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=4182180

[Derek R.]

Got it in one!

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

1 hour ago, Derek R. said:

It's 1886, it's on a river. Someone's going to know.

 

Great photo

Love it. 

How much weight you reckon is on them boats? They’re not particularly low in the water. Are they?

Looks like the iron work is kept upright by a single prop on either side. 
 

[magnetman]

I'm concerned that they may have not carried out a full risk assessment. 

 

Full length narrow boats about 1 tonne per inch immersion? 

So 50 tonnes of iron maybe. 

 

(back of envelope calculation)

It looks like only one side of the structure so could be less. 31 ton and 5 hundredweight 16lbs and 4 ounces.

 

(sliderule) 

Edited April 30 by magnetman
edit for math

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

4 minutes ago, magnetman said:

I'm concerned that they may have not carried out a full risk assessment. 

 

Full length narrow boats about 1 tonne per inch immersion? 

So 50 tonnes of iron maybe. 

 

(back of envelope calculation)

It looks like only one side of the structure so could be less. 31 ton and 5 hundredweight 16lbs and 4 ounces.

 

(sliderule) 

Don’t ignore the amount of wood either. That must carry some weight. 
 

I was guessing in the region of 40 ton. 
On the grounds 20 ton would perhaps take a boat down to the gunnels ? 🤷‍♀️
And they appear half way down(ish) Dunno. 
 

11 minutes ago, magnetman said:

(back of envelope calculation)

It looks like only one side of the structure so could be less. 31 ton and 5 hundredweight 16lbs and 4 ounces

 What’s that in ship loads?

Is a ship load worth less than 4 narrowboat loads?

 

Yes it’s one side and half of the span, ain’t it?

 

 

[matty40s]

All butties, perhaps because they sit flat, or because less costly to lose if it goes wrong.?

[Heartland]

Another river bridge. This one was completed in 1907 and is steel. It replaced an earlier iron bridge, and that bridge replaced one of timber.

 

 

[magnetman]

If it is 1886 I think they are horse boats. 

 

Building things looked like a lot of fun all those yars ago. Must have been pretty wicked up on top. 

1 minute ago, Heartland said:

Another river bridge. This one was completed in 1907 and is steel. It replaced an earlier iron bridge, and that bridge replaced one of timber.

 

 

Nuneham railway bridge just above Abingdon ?

 

Currently in a parlous state and closed to rail traffic. The central part has been subsiding for a while. 

(edit to add question mark as might not be Nuneham).

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/nuneham-viaduct-monitoring-and-stabilisation/

 

reopening 10th June. 

(one hopes)

Edited April 30 by magnetman