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[Heartland]

Yes Stourport Barge Bottom locks looking to the River Severn 

[Pluto]

It's September 1970, and an oil train is crossing a canal, but where?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Pluto said:

It's September 1970, and an oil train is crossing a canal, but where?

 

Keadby? On the S&K?

[Pluto]

1 hour ago, M_JG said:

 

Keadby? On the S&K?

Not what was written  on the back of the phot.

[Captain Pegg]

1 hour ago, M_JG said:

 

Keadby? On the S&K?

 

You had me confused for a minute. The S&K is the Swinton & Knottingley in railway terms but then I realised you meant the Stainforth & Keadby.

 

If you're thinking Vazon I'd say not as that looks like a fixed bridge.

 

Thinking of places that transported oil by rail maybe Stanlow/Ellesmere Port or perhaps Hunslet.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Pluto said:

Not what was written  on the back of the phot.

 

Looks very much like the Vazon sliding bridge at Keadby to me but obviously I'm mistaken.

 

(I notice the tanks have got very faded ICI logos on them).

Edited April 15, 2023 by M_JG

[Pluto]

It used to move, but now fixed and out of use. Is that a clue?

[Guest]

Just now, Pluto said:

It used to move, but now fixed and out of use. Is that a clue?

 

Not to me.

 

If it doesnt move now how do boats pass under, thats very very low just like Vazon?

 

Or presumably they no longer can?

[magnetman]

My first thought was Sheepwash channel Oxford but it looks too big. 

 

It could be out of use in railway terms..

i.e. left open.

[David Mack]

3 minutes ago, magnetman said:

My first thought was Sheepwash channel Oxford but it looks too big. 

 

It could be out of use in railway terms..

i.e. left open.

I was just going to suggest the same. View looking east.

[Captain Pegg]

2 hours ago, M_JG said:

 

Looks very much like the Vazon sliding bridge at Keadby to me but obviously I'm mistaken.

 

(I notice the tanks have got very faded ICI logos on them).

Good point about the ICI logo. Possibly chemicals rather than oil. I’ll have to think about that.

 

Ulverston?

Edited April 15, 2023 by Captain Pegg

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Captain Pegg said:

Good point about the ICI logo. Possibly chemicals rather than oil. I’ll have to think about that.

 

Ulverston?

 

@Pluto refered to it as an 'oil' train. 

 

ICI at Wilton on Teesside used to refine oil.

 

 

Edited April 15, 2023 by M_JG

[Ronaldo47]

The black painted tanks and the two stars show that they are "Class B" tank wagons, designed for transporting heavy liquids and chemicals at passenger-train speeds and fitted with steam heating coils to assist offloading of heavy oils. I think they were introduced in the late 1950's or early 1960's 

[Captain Pegg]

11 hours ago, M_JG said:

 

Not to me.

 

If it doesnt move now how do boats pass under, thats very very low just like Vazon?

 

Or presumably they no longer can?

Presumably therefore it’s on a closed or un-navigable canal.

 

My guess is that it’s the bridge where the former Conishead Priory branch of the Furness Railway crosses the Ulverston canal.

[David Mack]

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5266694

 

[Pluto]

To those who got the Ulverston Canal, have a greenie.

[Rob-M]

Google image search turned up a very similar image with a comment it was over the Ulverston canal but I thought I wouldn't post the answer as felt it was cheating.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Rob-M said:

Google image search turned up a very similar image with a comment it was over the Ulverston canal but I thought I wouldn't post the answer as felt it was cheating.

 

Ditto.

 

http://disused-stations.org.uk/features/bardsea_branch/index.shtml

 

Was the link I found.

[Pluto]

The owner of this house had a major effect on Edwardian inland water transport thinking. Who were they?

[David Mack]

I know where it is, but I am unfamiliar with the water transport connection!

[matty40s]

Educating canal families children??Shuttleworth?

[Pluto]

You are getting there, but Rachel became involved with education after the 1st WW, and she is not who I was hoping you could identify.

[Pluto]

The photo is of Gawthorpe Hall, between Burnley and Padiham. In Edwardian times, it was home to Baron Ughtred James Shuttleworth, a Liberal politician who was Chairman of the Royal Commission on Canals and Waterways, 1906-1912. Amongst the Shuttleworth family papers held at Gawthorpe Hall is an album of photos taken by Ughtred's daughter, Rachel, during the Commission's 1907 inspection of waterways in France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany, as well as a couple of Foxton incline. Unfortunately, they are not fully captioned, but the itinerary does give some clue, This raft working down through a 'modern' flash lock is probably on the Main or Neckar.

[Heartland]

Did the Royal Commission have an important effect on thinking?

What was subsequently done is hard to link to all those reports and recommendations but whether the subsequent improvements THAT were done was influenced by the Royal Commission is worthy of discussion.

 

If you are looking at surviving house linked to Waterways History any ideas about this structure?

 

 

[Rob-M]

That's Bishton Hall by Wolseley Bridge on the T&M.  I don't know it's history or links to the canal though.