incinerating loos

[bigcol]

Just been looking into incinerating loos

seen the Cinderella on you tube

theirs other makes, but what about the prices?

 

col

[Mad Harold]

3 minutes ago, bigcol said:

Just been looking into incinerating loos

seen the Cinderella on you tube

theirs other makes, but what about the prices?

 

col

Heard of explosive flatulence,but not burning 'tother stuff!

[enigmatic]

I like the theory, but in addition to the scary prices, you only get about 70 flushes per gas bottle...

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, bigcol said:

Just been looking into incinerating loos

seen the Cinderella on you tube

theirs other makes, but what about the prices?

 

col

A fortune Col is the answer 

[Tracy D'arth]

Question.

 

 

Can you provide enough electrical power at all times to run an incinerator?

 

Or gas? but there must be an ignition system.

Edited June 11, 2021 by Tracy D'arth

[Jen-in-Wellies]

There are several threads on here about these. Worth doing a search and reading them, but nicely summarised in the preceding few replies.

[OldGoat]

At present the canal and river system is (reasonably well) served by 'conventional' foul waste disposal facilities

AFAIK there are no such facilities for whatever residues are produced by incinerator loos - who's output is still classed as hazardous - but I'm happy to be corrected?

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, OldGoat said:

At present the canal and river system is (reasonably well) served by 'conventional' foul waste disposal facilities

AFAIK there are no such facilities for whatever residues are produced by incinerator loos - who's output is still classed as hazardous - but I'm happy to be corrected?

Classed as compost I believe you can put it straight on gardens 

[Alan de Enfield]

1 minute ago, peterboat said:

Classed as compost I believe you can put it straight on gardens 

 

What about C&RT bins ?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

What about C&RT bins ?

I watched a demo at Crick a couple of years ago, the residue was a small amount of ash very small!

[Alan de Enfield]

Just now, peterboat said:

I watched a demo at Crick a couple of years ago, the residue was a small amount of ash very small!

 

Whaaat - they burn't C&RT bins (bet Biffa were not happy)

[ditchcrawler]

37 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:

Question.

 

 

Can you provide enough electrical power at all times to run an incinerator?

 

That is why the batteries will be getting hot?

[booke23]

Funny I was just reading an article about the Cinderella toilet in a Waterways World article from 2019.

 

Sounds a bit faffy....you've got to put a liner (greaseproof paper type thing) in the bowl before use, you do your business and it takes 40 minutes for the incineration to complete. The incineration process is loud so not ideal for middle of the night use. The cost for the system is £3500 and you have ongoing propane and liner costs. The ash bucket needs emptying after 100 deposits, they say it is totally sterile so can be treated like stove ash........put it in a bin or under a hedge.

The boat in the article has two toilets......an incinerator and compost. The owners say if they had to have one toilet it wouldn't be the incinerator as apart from the running costs, it is complex and prone to going into error mode. Some of these errors require an engineer to visit so not ideal on the canals. But it's an interesting concept, and if someone could develop a diesel fired version that has a simpler design, it might be more practical.   

[David Mack]

Yet this toilet http://www.nanomembranetoilet.org/ 

claims that the heat generated from burning toilet waste will be sufficient to power the toilet's other energy requirements, with perhaps a small surplus. A bit different from the Cinderella!

[bigcol]

 

 

[Tim Lewis]

17 hours ago, Tracy D'arth said:

Question.

 

 

Can you provide enough electrical power at all times to run an incinerator?

 

Or gas? but there must be an ignition system.

 

A friend of mine has a gas 'powered' one and reckons it uses about 110g of gas per use, with that and the liner required makes it 40 - 50p every each time it is used!

[mrsmelly]

If someone has just used this bog how long does the next person have to wait till its useable again. For instance can 4 people go one after the other or does someone have to be cross legged etc??

Edited June 12, 2021 by mrsmelly

[Bacchus]

15 minutes ago, Tim Lewis said:

 

A friend of mine has a gas 'powered' one and reckons it uses about 110g of gas per use, with that and the liner required makes it 40 - 50p every each time it is used!

 

 

Just going to spend a penny quid...

[enigmatic]

17 hours ago, booke23 said:

Funny I was just reading an article about the Cinderella toilet in a Waterways World article from 2019.

 

Sounds a bit faffy....you've got to put a liner (greaseproof paper type thing) in the bowl before use, you do your business and it takes 40 minutes for the incineration to complete. The incineration process is loud so not ideal for middle of the night use. The cost for the system is £3500 and you have ongoing propane and liner costs. The ash bucket needs emptying after 100 deposits, they say it is totally sterile so can be treated like stove ash........put it in a bin or under a hedge.

The boat in the article has two toilets......an incinerator and compost. The owners say if they had to have one toilet it wouldn't be the incinerator as apart from the running costs, it is complex and prone to going into error mode. Some of these errors require an engineer to visit so not ideal on the canals. But it's an interesting concept, and if someone could develop a diesel fired version that has a simpler design, it might be more practical.   

If it had a back boiler, the 40 mins incineration time might be a positive...

[booke23]

3 hours ago, mrsmelly said:

If someone has just used this bog how long does the next person have to wait till its useable again. For instance can 4 people go one after the other or does someone have to be cross legged etc??

 

According to the article I read, the device can handle 4 deposits one after the other. After the first deposit the waste gets 'flushed' into the the incinerator and it starts burning. It can then be used again with subsequent deposits added to the already burning material and the incineration time increased. 

 

3 hours ago, enigmatic said:

If it had a back boiler, the 40 mins incineration time might be a positive...

 

Yes, diesel fired with a back boiler and the idea might take off!

[IanD]

Even if you disregard the gas and toilet costs, disposing of something which contains 75% water by incinerating it is bonkers; at least composting toilets make sense if you can use them properly and dispose of the waste properly (by drying and composting it)...

[ditchcrawler]

6 hours ago, IanD said:

Even if you disregard the gas and toilet costs, disposing of something which contains 75% water by incinerating it is bonkers; at least composting toilets make sense if you can use them properly and dispose of the waste properly (by drying and composting it)...

And the wee is 100% water and stinks when its boiled, does steam come out of the vent in use?

[Phoenix_V]

28 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

 

 

28 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

wee is 100% water and stinks when its boiled

how do you know that?

[ditchcrawler]

34 minutes ago, Phoenix_V said:

 

how do you know that?

When I was an apprentice boy we went to do some work in a block of flats being built in Norwich in the winter time. The builders had a fire in a drum on one of the floors at the windward  end of the corridor for heat and as we came onto that level one of them peed against it sending a cloud of stinking steam the length of the corridor. there were no windows in the building  

[booke23]

3 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

And the wee is 100% water and stinks when its boiled, does steam come out of the vent in use?

Presumably. Obviously vented outside on it's external chimney, but you probably wouldn't want to stand downwind of it! The article mentioned the boat has two toilets, the other one being of the composting variety and that they tend to only use the incinerator toilet for solids.