Retardedrocker Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 It was a tad cold last night, down to -3C and, although the boat was still nice and warm, I have a question. There are louvre vents in the doors front & back (fore & aft?) and any number of mushroom vents on the roof. I have all of these wide open all the time and this, obviously, lets in a lot of cold air. Is this correct, or can I close them down a little without killing myself? Cheers, T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dor Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 A previous owner of my last boat did this - i.e. closed down roof vents and blocked the low level vents. He died of CO poisoning on the boat one night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottle Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 can I close them down a little without killing myself? Safe answer and the only one I will officially give is NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 As Above, I wouldn't close the mushroom vents or block the grill vents that you may have. I believe these are functional. However the louvre windows may not be. The cheapest way to stop draughts would be a curtain. You could purchase some rubber strips (u shaped) to fit over the edges of the panes. Or possibly sponge to trap in the panes as they close. Only ideas that come to my mind. Martyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pquinn Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Yes,but no but.This'll get them fighting!!! Isnt there a formula to calculate how much ventilation required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 The ventilation is there for a reason. Leave it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Ambrose Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 As Above, I wouldn't close the mushroom vents or block the grill vents that you may have. I believe these are functional.However the louvre windows may not be. The cheapest way to stop draughts would be a curtain. You could purchase some rubber strips (u shaped) to fit over the edges of the panes. Or possibly sponge to trap in the panes as they close.Only ideas that come to my mind.MartynWhere did the louvre windows come from?Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Where did the louvre windows come from? Phil The louvre window factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retardedrocker Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I'll take that as a 'no' then. cheers, T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I'll take that as a 'no' then. cheers, T. You can wind the mushrooms down, so long as there is still airflow through - you cant block the holes. You can have a door curtain hanging down just inside the door, to baffle the cold draughts, you can't block the vents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retardedrocker Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Thanks matty40s. I thought (hoped) that might be the answer. I'm very consious of having good ventilation and I've bought CO and smoke detectors, just LPG to go. I don't mind being a bit cool: it's the draughts that chill my bones. Cheers, T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb Innisfree Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Cratch cover and pramhood stopped draughts from our brass louvre vents in the doors, also no more condensation on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Where did the louvre windows come from? Phil my mistake. Mis read. Leave the louvre vents alone as well. However to anyone who has louvre WINDOWS my suggestions MAY be beneficial. Martyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Yes,but no but.This'll get them fighting!!! Isnt there a formula to calculate how much ventilation required? Yes and it a worst case scenario, all appliances like cooker going flat out and maximum number of people on board. Cratch cover and pramhood stopped draughts from our brass louvre vents in the doors, also no more condensation on them. And I wonder how much it reduces air flow compared with vents straight to the windy outside world. I would bet there is very little natural air flow into a boat via a well fitting cratch cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Ask yourself this ...... Are there vents of any kind in a coffin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb Innisfree Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Yes and it a worst case scenario, all appliances like cooker going flat out and maximum number of people on board. And I wonder how much it reduces air flow compared with vents straight to the windy outside world. I would bet there is very little natural air flow into a boat via a well fitting cratch cover. I would guess the area of the various gaps in an average cover exceeds that of the vents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 You can baffle the louvre door vents as long as the open area is not reduced. But it is worth doing the ventilation calculation from the BSS Essential Guide to see if you have too little or too much. Minimum effective area (mm2) = [2200xU]+[650xP]+[440xF] U = total input rating (kW) for all appliances (including cookers) without flues P = number of people for which the compartment is designed F = input rating (kW) for all open or closed flue appliances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 You can baffle the louvre door vents as long as the open area is not reduced. But it is worth doing the ventilation calculation from the BSS Essential Guide to see if you have too little or too much. Minimum effective area (mm2) = [2200xU]+[650xP]+[440xF] U = total input rating (kW) for all appliances (including cookers) without flues P = number of people for which the compartment is designed F = input rating (kW) for all open or closed flue appliances I have not looked it up, but have you got it down wrong as the way I am reading what you have put is that U and F are the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKingfisher Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 U and F are different, U is a cooker, F is a Morco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Ambrose Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 my mistake. Mis read.Leave the louvre vents alone as well.However to anyone who has louvre WINDOWS my suggestions MAY be beneficial.MartynSorry Martin,forgot the smiley and yes would agree about the louvre windows.Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I wish I could do smilies. Very easy to be mis-understood. No worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Fox Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 We have been putting newspaper over the tops of the rear doors and stuffing kitchen towel into the other gaps to stop the draught - kitchen table is right at the back. Now we bought a sheet of hardboard/plywood which I'm going to cut to size to put up at the back doors when we're inside for the evening/night to stop the worst of it. The front door vents have air coming through like the Washington DC Metro grids, so thinking of putting some paper over them too. Surely the 3 mushroom vents are enough? New CO alarm fitted, and when going to sleep we can open the ventilation a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollymoggy Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I don't get many draughts luckily, but it still gets cold in here. But I don't sleep with the heating on. I might have to soon though, but is it very safe to sleep with a diesel stove going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 We have been putting newspaper over the tops of the rear doors and stuffing kitchen towel into the other gaps to stop the draught - kitchen table is right at the back. Now we bought a sheet of hardboard/plywood which I'm going to cut to size to put up at the back doors when we're inside for the evening/night to stop the worst of it. The front door vents have air coming through like the Washington DC Metro grids, so thinking of putting some paper over them too. Surely the 3 mushroom vents are enough? New CO alarm fitted, and when going to sleep we can open the ventilation a bit more. I don't think you will find any one who will advise that regardless of what they really think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited) I have not looked it up, but have you got it down wrong as the way I am reading what you have put is that U and F are the same thing I don't think so. I just copied it from the BSS essential guide, so if it's wrong it's down to them. Edited December 4, 2014 by blackrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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