Historic Boats for sale online

[max's son]

What about this one

 

 

Lady Hatherton

[David Mack]

I have vague memories of visiting Allen's yard with my Dad in the late 60s. There were wooden boats on the bank and I can remember seeing one where a new plank had been scarfed in and new sheathing fitted to another.

[pete harrison]

Super sized large Woolwich motor 

 

https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/harland-and-wolff-short-boat-town-class/630346

[pete harrison]

On 03/04/2020 at 20:42, magnetman said:

Allen's of Oldbury were mentioned in one of those threads.

 

Cabin conversion I guess. Not sure if they did works on wooden hulls but they may have done.

Prior to setting up at Oldbury Les Allen worked at Spencer Abbot and Company, Salford Bridge - ending up as Forman I believe. Spencer Abbott and Company built new boats as well as extensive dockings, mostly if not all in wood. This would mean that the yard established at Oldbury would easily manage maintenance and alterations to wooden hulls, and it was this yard that converted CONWAY to a counter sterned motor pleasure boat in 1968/69.

 

In response to the current advert I have written quite a lot about CONWAY elsewhere, possibly on Facebook

[Athy]

8 hours ago, pete harrison said:

Super sized large Woolwich motor 

 

https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/harland-and-wolff-short-boat-town-class/630346

"A commercial boat suitable for conversation", says the advert. He'll talk about the price, then.

[zenataomm]

5 hours ago, Athy said:

"A commercial boat suitable for conversation", says the advert. He'll talk about the price, then.

Certainly this year we're all going to be doing more talking than actual boating.

[Nightwatch]

35 minutes ago, zenataomm said:

Certainly this year we're all going to be doing more talking than actual boating.

I’m doing very little of both.

 

As a footnote, Rufford looks a lot of money considering what needs to be done to finish. Depends, I suppose, what you want to end up with. But £50,000.

[pete harrison]

here we go again - ORION on Ebay @ £20k. Previously up for Ebay auction with an end date of 23 February 2020, but the advert was taken down on 17 February 2020. The current seller has a different Ebay name and a different telephone number, and more concerning is the history score of '0'

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50ft-trad-narrowboat/202970601149?hash=item2f41fd96bd:g:M6AAAOSwedNenxsF

[mark99]

On 07/04/2020 at 13:26, Nightwatch said:

I’m doing very little of both.

 

As a footnote, Rufford looks a lot of money considering what needs to be done to finish. Depends, I suppose, what you want to end up with. But £50,000.

Agree. 

[GilesMorris]

1 hour ago, pete harrison said:

here we go again - ORION on Ebay @ £20k. Previously up for Ebay auction with an end date of 23 February 2020, but the advert was taken down on 17 February 2020. The current seller has a different Ebay name and a different telephone number, and more concerning is the history score of '0'

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50ft-trad-narrowboat/202970601149?hash=item2f41fd96bd:g:M6AAAOSwedNenxsF

When I look at the listing I see that the vendor "will post to the United States". Now I'm tempted to make an offer.

[RLWP]

14 hours ago, pete harrison said:

here we go again - ORION on Ebay @ £20k. Previously up for Ebay auction with an end date of 23 February 2020, but the advert was taken down on 17 February 2020. The current seller has a different Ebay name and a different telephone number, and more concerning is the history score of '0'

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50ft-trad-narrowboat/202970601149?hash=item2f41fd96bd:g:M6AAAOSwedNenxsF

 

It has moved from Pillings lock then. Unless something has changed since I last saw her, "She has got a newly refurbished lister 3 cylinder engine which is in  pristine condition" isn't exactly correct

 

Richard

[cheshire~rose]

11 minutes ago, RLWP said:

 

It has moved from Pillings lock then. Unless something has changed since I last saw her, "She has got a newly refurbished lister 3 cylinder engine which is in  pristine condition" isn't exactly correct

 

Richard

It's OK, if the engine rattles you can turn up the volume on the built in sound system to cover the noise

[Paddle]

Since February ORION has apparently been painted green (instead of blue) and blacked. And it has a new 4-year BSC. So the Lister might well have been overhauled too... Bloke with financée and dog was probably delighted to be shot of it at about 4k in February, so whoever bought it would be onto a significant profit. There's no wooden boat that doesn't look as thought it was newly built after a coat of blacking... and no Lister that a stainless exhaust doesn't make look overhauled...

 

Here's the February listing with different paint colour, and absence of BSC:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/48-Foot-Narrow-Boat-Project-Liveaboard-NO-RESERVE-/223913684489?nma=true&si=hqnR5xfThe5xhhOHFju%2FPjNlWW4%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[Athy]

7 minutes ago, Paddle said:

Since February ORION has apparently been painted green (instead of blue) and blacked. And it has a new 4-year BSC. So the Lister might well have been overhauled too..

Overhauled? It's grown an extra cylinder too! Perhaps that's not surprising, as the boat has also grown by two feet.

I would be interested to learn more about the "100 foot narrowboat" of which this once formed part.

[RLWP]

5 hours ago, Athy said:

Overhauled? It's grown an extra cylinder too!

It actually lost one in that last advert, and is now back to the correct number

 

Richard

[zenataomm]

"Sunk for preservation...." ?  I must remember that one!

[Derek R.]

General practice for clinker built wooden boats, dinghys especially. Dried wood shrinks, then leaks.

[zenataomm]

5 hours ago, Derek R. said:

General practice for clinker built wooden boats, dinghys especially. Dried wood shrinks, then leaks.

Yes I know.

However most canal boats that sink do so because of lack of attention.

I was amused at the image of someone in the 60s/70s looking at an under maintained long distance, wooden narrow boat and deciding .....

"You know, I appreciate this ancient boat which is mainly rotten and knackered is only worth buttons, however I really think we should deliberately sink it in order to preserve what timbers aren't already mushy.  We should do this in order to preserve it for future generations to restore and then pontificate in flowery language about it so they can sell it for thousands."  

Yeah right!

[David Mack]

25 minutes ago, zenataomm said:

Yes I know.

However most canal boats that sink do so because of lack of attention.

I was amused at the image of someone in the 60s/70s looking at an under maintained long distance, wooden narrow boat and deciding .....

"You know, I appreciate this ancient boat which is mainly rotten and knackered is only worth buttons, however I really think we should deliberately sink it in order to preserve what timbers aren't already mushy.  We should do this in order to preserve it for future generations to restore and then pontificate in flowery language about it so they can sell it for thousands."  

Yeah right!

That's more or less what the Boat Museum at Ellesmere Port did!

[Ray T]

3 hours ago, zenataomm said:

Yes I know.

However most canal boats that sink do so because of lack of attention.

I was amused at the image of someone in the 60s/70s looking at an under maintained long distance, wooden narrow boat and deciding .....

"You know, I appreciate this ancient boat which is mainly rotten and knackered is only worth buttons, however I really think we should deliberately sink it in order to preserve what timbers aren't already mushy.  We should do this in order to preserve it for future generations to restore and then pontificate in flowery language about it so they can sell it for thousands."  

Yeah right!

 

3 hours ago, David Mack said:

That's more or less what the Boat Museum at Ellesmere Port did!

 

Edited April 26, 2020 by Ray T

[zenataomm]

7 minutes ago, Ray T said:

 

 

Yes you're right, they did, and what a hash they made of it.

However that wasn't in the 60s/70s and neither were they trying to flower up an advert the same way a brewery writes a pub grub menu.

A generous portion of locally owned boat, carefully crafted from an original professionally created 100ft working boat. 

Generously drenched in bitumen and embellished with just a hint of blue paint ......

[Jrtm]

On 02/04/2020 at 12:15, magnetman said:

3rd party insurance does not require a survey as it's on a self-declaration basis. 

 

So if boat sinks and loss adjuster decides it was not sound then you as owner are responsible for the wreck removal. 

 

At least this allows you to get a license which is the aim of the game. 

 

BSS does not seem to me to be too arduous for a butty. 

 

 

 

 

Bss on a butty we never had any trouble, worst we had to deal with was back cabin stove, no gas no electricity, no oil, no engine, the stove and that was it. There wasn't anything to fail on

[pete harrison]

On 21/03/2020 at 07:23, Halsey said:

"Princess Anne" is now open to offers - this is a really great and very well maintained boat - if its your "bag" then something with a "4" in front would probably secure it...……………...

 

On 21/03/2020 at 09:24, Mike Tee said:

Now on the ‘duck’ for £42k

 

On 21/03/2020 at 17:42, zenataomm said:

Having lived with a couple of composite hulls, it's the only thing that'd turn me off ..... 

 

No matter how good vegetable bottoms are you never get out of the habit of sleeping with one arm hanging over.

 

On 22/03/2020 at 18:29, roland elsdon said:

My experience of elm bottomed boats was that they leaked for a lot of reasons , but that once settled the maintenance  was more about the fight they had with the steel sides. 
Having said that the front board on our boat was 50 years old, and eventually i pretty much spooned it out of the shoe plate.

steel bolts rotting, keelson falling apart...…………………………………….After 14 years we replaced with steel.

I think it worth pointing out that the vast majority of the wooden bottom in PRINCESS ANNE is almost new, being fitted by Brinklow Boat services only a few years ago. This bottom was replaced from the fore end to the engine room, as well as several under the back cabin / engine room with only a few older but perfectly serviceable bottom boards remaining in place. This bottom is made of opepe and will outlast most steel bottoms of a similar age so really is not a negative point, especially on a boat being used for pleasure. I took a look at this bottom a couple of months ago when it was on the dock at Brinklow and it looked very good. PRINCESS ANNE represents remarkable value to my mind and really ought to be snapped up as just about everything has been done (at great expense), let alone it being a boat with a very strong history.

 

It is a tragedy that almost every composite 'historic' boat has been re-bottomed in steel, and that today's 'enthusiasts' reject a wooden bottom based upon the hearsay of those who know no better or the memories of soggy life expired 1950's elm bottoms of the past. Foreign woods have transformed this situation, and improved construction practice combined with modern adhesives and sealants mean that wooden bottoms, cabins, gunwales, cants, decks e.t.c. can and should be preserved - the alternative is that 'historic' boats will become modern welded steel pleasure boats that only give the outward appearance of being something that they are not 

 

edit - I have deliberately placed this into two separate threads as I think boats with new / fairly new bottoms of foreign wood (opepe) are getting unnecessary bad press. So many potential owners / enthusiasts do not seem to understand that a new wooden bottom should outlast a steel bottom of the same age with the same level of maintenance.

Edited May 18, 2020 by pete harrison

[Jrtm]

I would reject a boat that should have a wooden bottom and has been replaced by steel.

[roland elsdon]

There is a huge difference between a time expired  Butty with a wooden bottom with a rotten keelson, and riveted thin footings, that had spent years, as a tube storage boat, before having an undercloth conversion on, which is what we had at the start, and Princes Anne, which has had a new wooden bottom, and steelwork treatment. 
If I didn’t have what I have I’d buy her like a shot. I suspect she will only need basic maintenance for years.