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  • Birthday 05/05/1960

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    Things with engines. The Restoration of The Chesterfield Canal.
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    Delhi
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    Clayworth on The Chesterfield Canal

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  1. Welcome back Alan, it is indeed very good to see you posting again
  2. With regard trying to restore the damaged paint, please get hold of some Farecla G3 and, if at all possible an electric orbital mop (because I know how much elbow grease it can take) The G3 is a very fine abrasive that will not leave scratches and will not take too much paint off but will take off the oxidised layer so you can see how deep the staining goes. On glass and frames very fine grade wire wool is a good thing to have in store to clean them up. I am so sorry this has happened. It must be gutting for you
  3. You missed Staveley Town Lock on The Chesterfield and I think Boundary Lock was a new one? when that section was restored but I might be wrong?
  4. Thank you If there are no more entries forthcoming then there is a significant risk we might be higher placed in the end results than we were last time!
  5. Can I just check, one of our team asked me if there was any news on the updated route planner that was suggested after the closure of Black Cock Bridge I have not seen anything arrive yet and as we are now officially enroute for Birmingham (via the scenic route) it would be good to start getting our ducks in a row
  6. Link to the press release: https://chesterfield-canal-trust.org.uk/5m-canal-restoration-award/ PRESS RELEASE 24th March 2022 The Chesterfield Canal Trust is delighted to have been awarded £5.3m from the Staveley Town Deal. This means that over the next three years the canal will be extended by half a mile from Hartington Harbour onto the Staveley Puddlebank which runs across the Doe Lea valley. There will also be two miles of multi-use towpath all the way to Renishaw. There will be a new lock and two new bridges. There will be a siphon pipe to take the water from Staveley Waterside (the new name for Staveley Town Basin) to the new canal section. In addition, full designs will be prepared for further work. Peter Hardy, Chair of the Trust said: “Our scheme will bring enormous benefits to the residents of Staveley and surrounding areas with the extension of the canal from Staveley Waterside almost to the river Doe Lea. Together with the other projects awarded money from the Towns Fund, it will enhance the environment, health and wellbeing of all who live in the area. “It will be the catalyst for the Chesterfield Canal Trust to complete the restoration of the canal. “We are indebted to the local company Suon Ltd. which has donated the clay to be used in this project; without this generosity the scheme would not have been possible.” Ivan Fomin, Chair of the Staveley Town Deal Board and Managing Director of Staveley based MSE Hiller, said: “I want to congratulate the Chesterfield Canal Trust on their excellent business case that will lead to the creation of and enhancement of a key health and wellbeing, leisure and tourism destination. This project complements the other ten projects and has been developed in response to the challenges and opportunities in Staveley. All the project sponsors have worked hard on their business cases, and we are now moving into delivering these projects and ensuring that they can benefit everyone in Staveley.” The Trust further hopes to complete the canal restoration through to Renishaw. This will include the spectacular Doe Lea aqueduct, planned to be 37 metres long and 10 metres above river level. The Trust’s volunteer Work Party has already started its Rewatering Renishaw project which will bring another half mile of canal back to life. The aim is to join the two projects together finishing up with an extra 2½ miles of canal in the next few years. For the next few months, the Trust’s Project Team, led by Mark Potter, will be making detailed preparations, preparing tender documents, appointing staff, awarding contracts etc. The first actual construction work will be the new Trans-Pennine Trail bridge, just east of the existing Eckington Road Bridge. This is scheduled to start early next year. The main earth moving to rebuild the Puddlebank will not start until 2024. The Trust appointed George Rogers as its Development Manager just under three years ago. Since then, he has worked tirelessly to get the restoration to this point. Upon hearing the news of the award his reaction was: “Now the hard work starts!” The Trust is very grateful for all the support that it has received from Chesterfield Borough Council, the Staveley Town Deal Board, Derbyshire County Council, Lee Rowley MP, Toby Perkins MP, countless councillors and, perhaps most importantly, its membership and the local people in whose hearts the canal holds a very special place.
  7. Ah look! The old age pensioners must have managed to summon up some stamina to make something happen 😉: https://chesterfield-canal-trust.org.uk/5m-canal-restoration-award/
  8. I wanted to share a few facts here. This is intended to inform those who may be reading this thread and may not be too familiar with the canal or the role that the volunteers on Python perform. They are not aimed at any individual. Firstly The Chesterfield Canal does have a reputation for being shallow. It certainly can be shallow if boaters do not stick to the channel. Python is a 3' draught and, although she is only 50' long she has no problem navigating the entire length of the canal. Our own boat is 2'10" draught and has no problems at all, another regular visitor to the summit pound is the historic boat Petrel which is full length. I am unsure what the draught of this boat is but it isn't likely to be shallow. There are, I believe, two reasons why people always mention how shallow the canal is. Firstly, when arriving on the canal, any boater will have spent several days on a deep and wide river or river navigation, usually travelling at speeds much faster than those generally travelled on canals. An early section of the canal boaters will encounter is a little on the shallow side (Upstream of Misterton through to Drakeholes). It takes a while for an experienced steerer to mentally revert back to canal speeds after their days on rivers and so it is very easy to forget that your engine is revving a little faster than it did 3-4 days ago on The Trent & Mersey Canal and by keeping a few too many revs on their boats are getting glued to the bottom and often, in frustration, a less experienced boater will often add a few more revs to counteract that effect which simply adds to the problem. I usually suggest boaters arriving on the canal prepare themselves to slow right down and enjoy this beautiful rural stretch of the canal where the views are extensive and the wildlife diverse. Once past Drakeholes things seem to get much easier. I personally am of the opionion that it only feels easier because steerers have now mentally slowed back down to canal speed but far too many boats turn around at that point citing the canal to be too shallow. Of course the other thing about glueing yourself to the bottom is that this is often where the weed is! The weed is usually only a problem during the late spring and early summer. It becomes a problem because there are so few boats on the canal. Boats stir up the silt meaning that the sunliht can't reach the weed and so it does not grow, Boats als chop up the weed with their props so, if you want to save CRT money on paing contractors to cut the weed, come and visit the canal We do not have a weedhatch and have no significant problem with weed on the canal but we do have a cutter on the prop. Boaters who visit the canal are advised to report the worst areas of weed to CRT by dropping them an email: enquiries.yorkshirenortheast@canalrivertrust.org.uk They find the detailed reports of where the weed is worst useful in directing where the weedboat works. Without lengthsmen it is us boaters who are most use to CRT by reporting things so they can target them. The other thng boaters should do on The Chesterfield Canal is to stick to the channel. Unlike the majority of canals that are linked up around the midlands and the south there is very little likelihood of you meeting another boat coming the other way, hold your course in the channel and you will be in the deepest water. Secondly, although what we do with Python has nothing to do with this thread, yes I apologise it was me who took it off topic) I am posting this here to give a better picture to those who may not know the extent of what the volunteers on Python do. The aim of The Python team is to use volunteers to carry out any tasks that they are able to do that assist CRT in maintaining the canal. We carry out planned preventative maintenance of the locks. This includes clearing bywashes (which assists water management and in turn helps to ensure there is enough water for boats to navigate) We scrape the weeds and algal deposits from lock chambers and lock gates. we clear moss and weeds from coping stones and lock quadrants to ensure these surfaces are not slippery for boaters operating the locks. We also grease paddle gear and report any problems we encounter that we are unable to deal with ourselves to CRT. We remove dead wood and branches from the water. Last week two days were spent doing this on the top pound of the canal. Those who know the canal will be aware it passes through a wooded area and, not having been able to get up there for too long, fistly due to covid then due to the premature failure of Turnerwood Bottom Lock at the end of the summer this was long overdue. We were able to remove four sizable tree branches from the water and hundreds of large sticks of the type that can foul a lock gate or paddle gear or be problematic passing through a boaters propeller. We encountered a problem on one of the treble locks on our way up to the summit pound when we came across a completely drained lock chamber. The paddle was jammed open with sticks and logs. We were able to get it the paddle operating again ourselves (and the volunteer who went into thechamber to remove the blockage also removed some rocks that may have, at a later date, created a problem by fouling a gate). This was purely about being in the right place at the right time but the majority of leisure boaters would have called CRT out to fix this problem and so by doing it ourselves it frees up CRT staff to do other things. We received an email thnaking us for the work removing branches and wood last week from John Lower. Many people will know John as the author of many respected guides to navigating the waterways of the east midlands. They had been to the head of navigation earlier in the year and had really struggled to get through, there have been 3 storms since their visit. Messages such as his really do make a difference to the teams who are carrying out these works. We remove litter. Especially waterborne litter. Cans, bottles, take away wrappers and crisp packets may not impede navigation for most boaters but they look unsightly and are a hazard to wildlife. The plastic bags and items of clothing we remove are far more likely to become problematic if they find a boaters prop. The myriad of community groups who already litter pick the towpaths can't reach the stuff in the water but we can and so we do. Often these trips are very well attended because local people want to litter pick and so we often have a team working alongside the boat on the towpath. The benefit to them over and above a community group walking the towpath is that, when they find something heavy or their bags become full, they can drop them on board and continue with the task. We also remove shopping trolleys and other large items found in the canal, such as tyres,which are far more of a hazard for boaters lurking in the depths. Yesterday we hauled out a metal barrier still with its concrete "feet" attached at the edge of a winding hole. It was impossible to see but we "found it" with Python's hull and although it took three strong guys with a couple of grappling hooks to get it out it has now been picked up by CRT and taken to be disposed of so it can't end up back in the water. Last week we pulled plastic road works barriers out of the water and a traffic cone. These too were picked up and taken away the same day to ensure they did not end up back in the water. We also remove sharps. This can be syringes in urban areas but far more commonly discarded fishing lures and line which can often be at about face height for a boater. We met a visiting boater in Worksop yesterday who is just returning from their trip up to the summit. The gentleman had seen what we were doing with Python last week and decided to come along for a day and join us. Chatting to them yesterday they said they could realy appreciate what we had done because during their journey down the improvements the Python team had made to their navigating was very obvious. In autumn we clear overgrown vegetation, especially focusing on the offside. This is work that CRT would usually pay contractors to do, except that if we do it, they can save the money and spend it on other things, maybe dredging or lock repairs? We usually run an 8-10 week programme focussing on overgrown vegetation each autumn and we cover the entire eastern end of the canal during this period. All year round we trim weeping willows. Through Ranby one of the pretty things on that stretch is the beautiful weeping willows that line the canal. They look fabulous but as any boater knows they grow a mile a minute and steering through them can sweep navigational equipment (or your tea) off the cabin top and it can be a less than pleasant experience to do so, showering your boat with leaves and insects as you pass through. With Python's high bow we have a platform where volunteers can do this work, a two person job, one grabs an armfull of willow and gently pulls it downwards as far as they can while another reaches up as high as they can with extending sheers and cuts. This means the length of the willows is reduced and it will (hopefully) take a whle before it gets back to being long enough to sweep a cabin top. These are attended to each time we pass. In addition to the tasks already listed we will clean milestones and interpretation boards (walkers and cyclists don't tend to carry a bucket of water and a sponge with them to do that task) Yesterday CRT joined us to replace two very old, "no Fishing" signs on an offside wall. In the past they have joined us to prepace a missing bridge number. Both of these occasions occured when their own boat was in a completely different part of the canal and so jumping on board with us they could get the job done much quicker than bringing their own workboat to the area. They know where Python is operating and will liaise with us if there are any notifications we can handle for them while we are in the area. This is saving time and money for CRT so they can spend it doing stuff we can't do on Python. Painting canal hardware is not something Python has got involved in yet. It has sometimes been suggested that we do and we are not adverse to doing it but the structures that require a fresh coat of paint do not usually need a boat to get to and so the CRT rangers who are better places to be working static in an area are better placed to do those tasks. freeing Python up to do the stuff that needs a boat to achieve it. Sadly we are not able to clear weed. When CRT sold off their weedcutting boats CCT were hoping to buy one so we could carry out this task using volunteers but the deal was done to sell them to Fountains who now have the contract for this work (it is not carried out by CRT). We are also unable to dredge the canal but, when Python was laid up for two years awaiting being rebottomed there were many boaters along the canal looking forward to the day Python was regularly navigating the length of the canal as she was keeping the channel open for other boaters. There has been a lot of dredging done on the wors sections of the canal since then. The Python team were consulted by CRT to discuss with them which areas needed to be prioritised for dredging prior to them contracting the works. They know we have a team of experienced steerers who will provide detailed, factual information about the problems we encounter which can be helpful to CRT in planning their works. I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the boaters who are part of this forum who have supported Python through the years so we are able to keep providing the volunteer led service we do to help CRT maintain the canal for the boaters who enjoy using it. Without that support and the volunteers from the local communities who rock up whatever the weather to make the canal a better place we could not achieve any of this. If any of you are interested in seeing any more photos of what Python is up to she does have a Facebook Page which can be found by searching for "Python The Workboat" Apolgies for the long post but I wanted to ensure that readers do not think that Python is just an expensive jolly for a few pensioners to get out on the canal.
  9. What a judgemental individual you are! Firstly, the volunteers appearing in that photo are predominantly not members of Chesterfield Canal Trust. They are volunteers that have chosen to come along for the day to help maintain their canal on a programme organised by Chesterfield Canal Trust in partnership with CRT. I am sure those in that photo who are in their 30's, work full time and chose to give a day off to assist the programme of works will appreciate you wholeheartedly ageist opinion of them. In fact 6 out of the 10 volunteers that day work full time and we get fully subscribed at weekends because so many people who usually work Monday to Friday choose to come out at weekends. Perhaps I should tell them they should not come as they need to go and do some overtime instead? I will conceded that the programme is predominantly organised by this old fogey and her husband (even though I am still have several years to go before I qualify for a pension). Yes we find things to do in retirement, we organise stuff so the workers can join us on their day off. Today we have been joined by a lovely chap in his 30's who works in the NHS. He decided to book some annual leave to join us. Also a lass in her 30's who usually packs dog food for a living. She wants to come back with her 16 year old son when she can slot it in as she says he would love it. It seems they should have more important things to do with their time according to you? I just spend my time thoroughly enjoying myself surrounded by passionate individuals from all walks of life. Each of them has a part to play, we all have our strengths and weaknesses and that is how working as a team comes into it's own. Experience comes with age, an experienced boat handler is important to keep a deep draughted boat from going aground when you need to reach litter or vegetation. Experienced people overseeing volunteers who might never have been on a boat before keeps them safe, clearly because they are retired they should hang up their windlass and don their slippers and take up a pipe because in your view people who have retired have no value to the restoration or maintenance of the canal system. I am finished with this discussion. I refuse to engage any further with someone who spouts such a lot of drivel passing it off as factual when you clearly have spent no time at all researching what the truth is about the restoration of the Chesterfield Canal before forming your opinion. Your opinions are, in my view, very offensive to those who so freely give their time to benefit the canals. That includes me.
  10. I am sorry but - Clearly your ability to read what I have written without reading your own agenda into it is a struggle. I apologise of I come across as self righteous but I have far too many conversations with people who have had a chat down the pub with someone who says the canal will never get joined up and they believe them. These people have rarely done any proper research on how far the restoration has got themselves and so they form an opinion based on hearsay. or, misreading what someone else has written as you have done here. There is a wealth of information on Chesterfield canal Trust's website that you can read if you are genuinley interested. I apologise that I do not have time to start digging out the appropriate links to answer all your questions now and clearly my own words are insufiicient to convince you that this restoration really is on a trajectory to be completed, and to be completed during the lifetime of a lot of people reading this thread. I would suggest if you want to hear this information from people who know far more detail than I do - drop a line to Rod Auton, his email address is on the website. As for the basin, the finger pontoons in the plan were lost with the £250K funding that went down the pan with the arrival of HS2. Elsewhere on The line of the Chessie there is another lovely marina to be. It is not linked up yet but it is all ready to go except for finger pontoons. It is currently a fishing lake. Chesterfield Canal Trust do not own the basin. The pontoons that are probably going in there will be for narrowboats to bring an income to Derbyshire County Council. They are the navigation authority and so are responsible for maintaining the canal at that end. Meanwhile I am sorry I do not have time to discuss this in more depth with you myself. I am busy assisting CRT to maintain the other end of the canal This was the team we were supervising yesterday. Just 11 volunteers! We worked on a short section between Shireoaks Social club and The Lock Keeper at Worksop. We picked 16 bags of litter and carried out planned preventative maintenance on Doefield Dunn and Haggonfields locks. It was a lovely sunny day and everyone enjoyed themselves. We would never manage to get 16 bags of litter from Staveley! That was a total of 110 volunteer hours our team gave yesterday. Tomorrow is day 6 of 10 days spent spring cleaning The Chesterfield Canal across just 2 weeks. We have a total of 91 volunteer days tied up in improving the canal for those who use it. There are a total of 22 brand new volunteers joining us during this period. (two more had to pull out due to testing positive for covid) Earlier last week out teams were on the summit pound spending their days getting branches and logs out of the water (as well as PPM at locks) - rural or urban The Python team deal with whatever they come across. There is a lot of organising goes into this type of programme, there are a lot of volunteers we need to look after, many of whom have never been on a boat before. If I come across as self righteous then I apologise, I am busy and have not had the time I would have liked to formulate a fuller response to you questions. Perhaps I am optimistic because I spend my time surrounded by passionate people wanting to give something back to their canal and the communities they run through. We clear up the dog mess, we clear away used syringes, and get down on hands and knees to get the cans and bottles from under the hedges where %^&*(*% have dumped them. I know what run down looks like, the basin is not in a run down area. Perhaps you might consider coming to join us for a day and see whether any of that optimism rubs off? You would be made very welcome. I am sorry I am unlikely to be able to respond further in this thread for the rest of this week as I have 5 of the next 6 days overseeing a team of volunteers with Python. - 51 volunteers in the next week, including 8 students and their tutors coming to join us so they can learn about the heritage of the canal, be close to nature and put something back to their community. If there is something you require an answer to perhaps you can ask it here and someone else may be able to reply - or I can check in when I get my breath back next week. Or you can direct it straight to Chesterfield Canal Trust where you will get the latest details rather than the opinion of a some boater you chatted to who had formulated his opinion on who knows what
  11. Clearly your expectations are far higher than mere mortal volunteers can achieve. Please explain what you expected in the 12 years since 2010? You acknowledge HS2 blight which stopped the restoration in it's tracks. You have not (as far as I recall) mentioned losing the best part of two years of momentum due to covid. You say you are always pleased to see the volunteers along the canal. How often do you deviate from the sections in water to see all the volunteers working there? I can't help but wonder where this run down area is you keep mentioning? The canal runs through a former mining area around Staveley and there used to be a big chemical works at Hollingwood. They are all gone niw. There are trees and nature reserves where they used to be. There are communities of friendy people who are proud of their canal. Have you been through Rotherham recently by boat? I can see that has seen better days but equally I can see the regeneration happening. You are very welcome to your opiniin but The saddest thing is that it precisely the people, like you who keep telling everyone that it's never going to happen and it's a waste of time that make those hard working volunteers wonder why they bother. Except they do bother, and, for those who are genuinely interested in learning about the progress and understand the challenges they will continue to explain and continue to put their heart and soul into making it happen. I sincerely look forward to the day we can prove you wrong
  12. What area are you based in? Which boaters are these you speak for? If they are like Patrick, optimistic but not "that" optimistic then that's great but if, like you, they have little or no clue about what is happening or what is planned then why would they be optimistic? If, like you, they see an empty basin that's been that way for years without understanding why, that won't make them optimistic either. The trailboat festival doesn't usually return to the same place regularly. It moves around different unconnected sites around the country. It was the optimism of the welcome they received and the very clear understanding they gained about the direction and pace of the restoration when they came last time that made them so keen to come back. If the boaters you speak to are not optimistic try speaking instead to those who know what's going on, or better still, get involved yourself. Something positive everyone can do is to respond to the consultation which takes only a few minutes of time and will ensure that DCC know just how passionate people are that this canal will get joined up and what is more it will get joined up in the foreseeable future, no matter what high speed railways, worldwide pandemics or a bypass throws at those who are getting off their backsides to make it happen
  13. As I have already said, the development of the basin was all planned, all agreed, and funding had been sought and won. The funding had been due to arrive in CCT's bank account within days if not weeks when HS2 dropped their bombshell on 28th January 2013. https://chesterfield-canal-trust.org.uk/hs2-route-to-affect-canal-enormously/ Because there was no guarantee that any of the development would still exist 25 years after that date the funding was withdrawn with immediate effect and since then there have been thousands of hours of volunteers time spent dealing with HS2. Yes the basin has been empty for many years. Yes the only boaters are currently the two CCT trip boats but if Covid had not affected us then you would have seen another 30 odd boats on that stretch when the IWA trailboat festival was due to revisit. They has visited before in 2016. Here is a queue of boats waiting to use the lock that year and a few other photos of a busy canal I was in a meeting just before HS2 dropped in. Robin Stonebridge, the then chair, had been looking at the momentum of the restoration to that point. There was a steep upward curve which, if that trajectory could been maintained would mean we could have got the canal joined up within 10 years. I saw his reasoning and it made perfect sense. Then HS2 hit the restoration. HS2 has not yet gone away. When will it get joined up? It's all about the money. https://chesterfield-canal-trust.org.uk/2027-restoration-appeal/ That link will tell you what the current plan is. The truth is that it is looking like that plan is unlikely because that plan was created before Covid struck, however, with The Trust working with the local community looking at ways their 5 million pound levelling up fund might best be used to the benefit of the area and so after a number of years of things standing still I think it is very fair to say that there is likely to be some good news that can be reported very soon.
  14. It doesn't need to connect to the SSY system, not yet anyway, it just needs to join up with the connected bit beyond Norwood Tunnel. The Rother Link is a future plan, which, once the canal is open again, will create a cruising ring. I think it very unlikely that there will be a couple of miles of housing estate lining the canal. Much of the area is ex-pit workings and has been designated as nature reserves. Of course it "could" never get any further and fall back into disrepair and become a stinking ditch again if people choose to pick out the things that might be a negative about this but that isn't going to happen, The basin was built to moor boats. It would be ridiculous to expect the average leisure boater to want to moor on a stretch of canal that is so short. There would be no point in investing in pontoons for them to stand empty. Building the pontoons and allowing people to moor on them will bring income which in turn will assist with the cost of maintaining the canal. The basin is not two miles long, it is just a basin. If it gets boats in it then that is progress. If you are in any doubt about whether this canal will ever get joined up again go along and chat to the guys restoring it on a Thursday or a Sunday and you might change your mind. I have spent a couple of hours in the office of George Rogers, the development Manager this afternoon. I had no doubts about the viability of the restoration before I went in there but if I had done they would have vanished in a flash. It has been a very, very long time since I came across anyone with such negative feelings about the restoration. I have no idea what has created that?
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