CaRT to waste our licence fee on a boating app...

[1st ade]

1 hour ago, Clanky said:

You only have to look how much the governments covid test&trace app cost and how that didn’t work to see that that this statement above hits the nail on the head🙄

As a concept, "Test and Trace" worked fine (I worked on it) - the problem was, the Public didn't want to be "Tested and Traced"... Of course, the same is true of licence evaders...

[Clanky]

17 minutes ago, 1st ade said:

As a concept, "Test and Trace" worked fine (I worked on it) - the problem was, the Public didn't want to be "Tested and Traced"... Of course, the same is true of licence evaders...

and how much did it cost? 

[Rob-M]

2 hours ago, Alway Swilby said:

I have also tried to moor to Armco and found it not deep enough to get to the side. The Waterway Routes maps show moorings where people have actually moored rather than the presence of Armco.

The demo Mr Waterways Routes gave me on Cheshire Locks this year when we met him showed all Armco, not just the bits suitable for mooring.  I got him to show me the next long pound as I was looking for somewhere to moor and none of the locations were suitable for us to moor.

Edited November 24, 2024 by Rob-M
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[Francis Herne]

I forgot earlier - the other reason I'm very skeptical this will achieve anything is last year's revision of CRT's online map (as used on stoppage pages):

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/canals-and-rivers

 

The (lack of) visibility of various features at different zoom levels shows a complete lack of understanding or thought by the developers of which information is important or how boaters will use it.

This is after more than a year of marginal improvements over the initial release which was somehow even worse.

 

The 'good' thing is that basing it directly on their internal database revealed that it was filled with errors, some of which they've since corrected...

Edited November 24, 2024 by Francis Herne

[ditchcrawler]

25 minutes ago, Francis Herne said:

I forgot earlier - the other reason I'm very skeptical this will achieve anything is last year's revision of CRT's online map (as used on stoppage pages):

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/canals-and-rivers

 

The (lack of) visibility of various features at different zoom levels shows a complete lack of understanding or thought by the developers of which information is important or how boaters will use it.

This is after more than a year of marginal improvements over the initial release which was somehow even worse.

 

The 'good' thing is that basing it directly on their internal database revealed that it was filled with errors, some of which they've since corrected...

If you look at it closely I think you will find that most moorings in Birmingham are 5 days, I haven't found one yet

 

Edited November 24, 2024 by ditchcrawler
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[Mike Todd]

On 24/11/2024 at 09:49, Tonka said:

The majority of people follow rules because of consequences. If you don't pay your council tax and get caught there are consequences.  If you don't pay road tax their are consequences. 

But it would appear that if you don't buy a licence or a BSS there are no consequences  

Now if I were young and lived in a boat and couldn't claim to live anywhere else if it meant I lost my home if I did not buy a licence, I would make sure I bought one

Your comparison is not watertight: very few people are convicted of stealing a mobile phone en passant. But most people do not engage in theft (sadly a few do). The possibility of a conviction is still there and that can also act as a deterrent but there are common standards that the greater majority adhere to without being overtly policed.

 

There are boaters who thought that they could get away without buying a licence but who later came to discover the consequences. Depends on your appetite for risk, as well as your moral compass. 

 

Gradually, and with very limited resources, CaRT are finding ways of making enforcement effective without recourse to the very expensive court system - even thought remains as an occasional backstop pour encourager les autres.

[ian Papworth]

They are responding to issues in the survey. An app was one of the issues boaters raised

[Cheese]

If an app provides live data so you can easily see if an issue at your location has already been reported that could be really helpful, to both boaters and C&RT.  Currently I suspect some things are reported multiple times, and many others are not reported at all because everyone assumes that someone else has done it!

[IanD]

28 minutes ago, Cheese said:

If an app provides live data so you can easily see if an issue at your location has already been reported that could be really helpful, to both boaters and C&RT.  Currently I suspect some things are reported multiple times, and many others are not reported at all because everyone assumes that someone else has done it!

 

You're not seriously suggesting that modern technology can be useful are you, especially anything involving "apps" and "mobiles" (whatever they are)?

 

What's wrong with the telegraph or telegram or even -- the height of modernity! -- a "wired telephone apparatus", like they used to have in the good old days when boaters were *real* boaters? 😉 

Edited November 29, 2024 by IanD

[Jim Riley]

7 minutes ago, IanD said:

 

You're not seriously suggesting that modern technology can be useful are you, especially anything involving "apps" and "mobiles" (whatever they are)?

 

What's wrong with the telegraph or telegram or even -- the height of modernity! -- a "wired telephone apparatus", like they used to have in the good old days when boaters were *real* boaters? 😉 

It could be useful if we could report anally retentive old men and their current mooring position. Then we could avoid them and they could cluster for a moanfest. 

[Arthur Marshall]

19 minutes ago, Jim Riley said:

It could be useful if we could report anally retentive old men and their current mooring position. Then we could avoid them and they could cluster for a moanfest. 

You don't need an app. Just go to your local folk club, and guess what...

[Jim Riley]

37 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

You don't need an app. Just go to your local folk club, and guess what...

At least there's generally no room for a trombone, until one starts up obvs. 

[MtB]

1 hour ago, IanD said:

 

You're not seriously suggesting that modern technology can be useful are you, especially anything involving "apps" and "mobiles" (whatever they are)?

 

What's wrong with the telegraph or telegram or even -- the height of modernity! -- a "wired telephone apparatus", like they used to have in the good old days when boaters were *real* boaters? 😉 

 

Yep, totally agree but I'm surprised at you Ian, posting this.

 

I always had you down as someone quite keen to adopt new technology in appropriate situations...

 

😉

 

 

[Jim Riley]

7 minutes ago, MtB said:

 

Yep, totally agree but I'm surprised at you Ian, posting this.

 

I always had you down as someone quite keen to adopt new technology in appropriate situations...

 

😉

 

 

You can't knock a man that uses chalk and slate via carrier pigeon instead of just shouting. 

[tree monkey]

On 24/11/2024 at 11:23, Chappo said:

I think being able to report overstayers is a good idea. Same old boats in same old places..

Continuous Moorers..

Freeloading scruffs..

Call em what you will. It's life experience that leads me to believe it's unlikely they are licensed. 

 I've even met some " Anarchists " who refused to pay. Yet enjoyed the luxury of water in the canal etc. 

 Contentious perhaps.. 

 

Anarchy as a political movement is, at least I suspect, not what you think it is

[IanD]

16 hours ago, MtB said:

 

Yep, totally agree but I'm surprised at you Ian, posting this.

 

I always had you down as someone quite keen to adopt new technology in appropriate situations...

 

😉

 

Indeed -- for example while sitting at home it's reassuring to know how cold the boat got in the recent cold snap, how often and for how long the CH ran for frost protection, and how much diesel was used... 🙂

[Arthur Marshall]

17 hours ago, Jim Riley said:

At least there's generally no room for a trombone, until one starts up obvs. 

Works like magic!

[Jim Riley]

47 minutes ago, tree monkey said:

 

Anarchy as a political movement is, at least I suspect, not what you think it is

Don't vote for anarchy. 

Or

Don't vote, for anarchy. 

 

[MtB]

1 hour ago, Jim Riley said:

Don't vote for anarchy. 

Or

Don't vote, for anarchy. 

 

 

Ah yes. Reminds me of the inimitable Barry Cryer illustrating the importance of commas, as in his example:

 

"I helped my uncle Jack, off his horse." Compared to the same phrase without the comma. 

 

 

[Tigerr]

I'd welcome a CRT app/map with stoppages etc clearly shown in real time. It would be a genuine aid to navigation, and I dont expect it actually costs a great deal to create it. 

[IanD]

5 minutes ago, Tigerr said:

I'd welcome a CRT app/map with stoppages etc clearly shown in real time. It would be a genuine aid to navigation, and I dont expect it actually costs a great deal to create it. 

Opencanalmap does that in almost real time -- don't know how long the delay is but stoppages seem to appear pretty quickly...

[Alway Swilby]

1 hour ago, MtB said:

 

Ah yes. Reminds me of the inimitable Barry Cryer illustrating the importance of commas, as in his example:

 

"I helped my uncle Jack, off his horse." Compared to the same phrase without the comma. 

 

 

Let's eat, Grandma.

[TheBiscuits]

The Importance of the Oxford Comma

Owing to ambiguities caused by its omission,
the Oxford comma became the subject of a petition
raised by serious serialists desperate to ensure
its use was to be mandated in lists of three or more.

 

Signatures flooded in from across all of society;
never had they expected to see such variety.
Who would have thought that those in favour
would have had such a diverse, democratic flavour?

 

There were the investment bankers,
the robbers and thieves,
as well as C-list celebrities,
the needy and mildly-diseased.

 

There were the footballers,
clowns and less mentally able,
alongside the poets,
unemployed and emotionally unstable.

 

There was Michael Gove,
a drug fiend and a trafficker of human organs,
and, of course, the sexual deviants,
Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan.

 

Such was the range of names
that the list did constitute.
Oh, not to forget the Queen,
a well-known madam and a prostitute.

 

Brian Bilston

https://brianbilston.com/2015/07/27/the-importance-of-the-oxford-comma/

[junior]

On 23/11/2024 at 17:06, Tonka said:

 

It also states that a volunteer is joining the board. Has he been appointed or voted in like the rest of the board. I assume he will not be paid as he is a volunteer. It also states that he has boating experience, does nobody else on the  board have boating experience?

 

How do you know it is a 'He'? It doesn't state who it is.

[Tonka]

16 minutes ago, junior said:

 

How do you know it is a 'He'? It doesn't state who it is.

Oops sorry