IanM Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Goliath said: that’s an interesting photo, so while Browns Bridge is clearly a recent construction, is the lift bridge in its original position? or was it brought from elsewhere? That was brought in from elsewhere too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 The map should explain where my photo was taken, of Woolston Lock on the Mersey & Irwell's New Cut. With regard to the lift bridge, this is a photo of it in its original position, taken by Roger Lorenz. I was involved with its re-erection, the vertical drive shafts requiring some straightening before it would work again. The whole bridge was slightly lozenge shaped after local kids had swung the counter-balance weights rather too enthusiastically. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartland Posted February 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Thanks for the clarification Mike, the New Cut in this case being on the Mersey & Irwell Navigation near Warrington and correctly named as the Woolston New Cut And as said the lift bridge at the Black Country Museum was erected elsewhere. There is also a picture on page 107 Railway Interchange Basin book as written by Tom Foxon. The lift bridge was at Factory Basin, Great Western Railway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-M Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Heartland said: Thanks for Goliath to explain in his own words where it is Now locations change even if the lamp post might remain for a few years---- this a 1990's view before Browns Bridge That's interesting, I don't remember it looking like that. I remember being moored near the tunnel on my parents boat and people looking through the windows thinking we were an exhibit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted February 14, 2023 Report Share Posted February 14, 2023 It is more difficult to see today as it has become overgrown, but where is this canal photographed in 1981? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted February 14, 2023 Report Share Posted February 14, 2023 49 minutes ago, Pluto said: It is more difficult to see today as it has become overgrown, but where is this canal photographed in 1981? Rain Hall Rock Quarry branch at Barlick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartland Posted February 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2023 It seems to remind me of the Calder & Hebble near Brighouse with the working brickwork on the hill side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted February 14, 2023 Report Share Posted February 14, 2023 4 hours ago, David Mack said: Rain Hall Rock Quarry branch at Barlick? Got it oin one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split Pin Posted February 14, 2023 Report Share Posted February 14, 2023 On 13/02/2023 at 16:21, Goliath said: that’s an interesting photo, so while Browns Bridge is clearly a recent construction, is the lift bridge in its original position? or was it brought from elsewhere? And before there was a bridge or very much of the museum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartland Posted February 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 Yes there was originally a bridge over the canal that linked up with the branch that served the limekilns. In this picture the Manning Wardle is seen that used to stand at that location after it came from Shut End And now something for Goliath. The clue is Middle Earth, but do not waste time on looking for Tolkien links. But where was this and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 I reckon its on the BCN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidad Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 I think it is at Chelsea Flower show 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kiwidad said: I think it is at Chelsea Flower show Close, but no coconut. Edited February 15, 2023 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-M Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 Is it the back of one of the houses in the BCLM...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) Heartland's looks like someone's back garden outhouse, and the other (Irish?) looks all the world like a contrived display - but where? Don't recall reading about narrow locks in Ireland. And that 'lock' looks way short. Who's EPA? Edited February 15, 2023 by Derek R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-M Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, Derek R. said: Heartland's looks like someone's back garden outhouse, and the other (Irish?) looks all the world like a contrived display - but where? Don't recall reading about narrow locks in Ireland. And that 'lock' looks way short. Who's EPA? Rays pictures were the Yorkshire Lock display built for the Chelsea Flower show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted February 15, 2023 Report Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) I think Kiwidad’s on to summat though. Heartland’s photo does look like a photo shoot picture, summat that’s been built temporary for some reason or other, it’s too prettified, grass/weeds/flowers growing out the brick work like that seems contrived? a mock shed? and what’s the Middle Earth clue? Edited February 15, 2023 by Goliath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartland Posted February 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Well, Goliath is close and yes also it is a flower show but not Chelsea. This one was in 2019 and was at the NEC where the CRT had a feature garden. The term Middle Earth refers to the grounds around Hall 16 there. And now returning to the BCN where was this? From a historical perspective, the engraving was published in 1860 and shows a canal basin, and blast- furnaces, and the name Pickford is placed by the artist on the boat side and Hopkins was then the owner, which should give a clue as to where, but I suspect some artistic licence, there were two furnaces listed there in most records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 I’ve seen a different view of this I’m sure. Back later, it’s time to I got boating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted February 16, 2023 Report Share Posted February 16, 2023 Here's another canalside ironworks to identify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartland Posted February 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) Plutos image appears to show a group of smelting furnaces with a high level railway crossing the navigation on the left and a lower level siding in the centre, but large groups of smelting furnaces were usually confined to the North of England and this image seems to have a lift to the furnace at the top bottom left. Yet that could be part of the ore treatment process. Between lock 4 and 5 on Leeds & Liverpool Canal may be a candidate- Wigan Coal and Iron Co As to my image after reading through the accompanying description it seems the furnaces were two in number with the foremost structure of the three being a water balance lift or "tommy hop" in Black Country slang. Edited February 17, 2023 by Heartland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Heartland said: Plutos image appears to show a group of smelting furnaces with a high level railway crossing the navigation on the left and a lower level siding in the centre, but large groups of smelting furnaces were usually confined to the North of England and this image seems to have a lift to the furnace at the top bottom left. Yet that could be part of the ore treatment process. Between lock 4 and 5 on Leeds & Liverpool Canal may be a candidate- Wigan Coal and Iron Co As to my image after reading through the accompanying description it seems the furnaces were two in number with the foremost structure of the three being a water balance lift or "tommy hop" in Black Country slang. Are we back over Ettleshall way? Millfield was a big foundry, is it Millfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartland Posted February 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 Which image, mine or Plutos Springvale or Bilston steelworks did have waterways and railways, but the details of Plutos image does not seem to fit. As to my question it was not at Millfields but closer to the first ever Newcomen Engine in South Staffordshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-M Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Heartland said: Which image, mine or Plutos Springvale or Bilston steelworks did have waterways and railways, but the details of Plutos image does not seem to fit. As to my question it was not at Millfields but closer to the first ever Newcomen Engine in South Staffordshire According to Google the first Newcomen Engine was at Coneygree Coal Works near Dudley Castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-M Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 Hopkins and Son owned iron furnaces at Dudley Port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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