Jim Wortelhock Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 Having received the new email from the CRT encouraging us all to address climate change I was wondering whether the organisation has lost its core purpose. We have travelled over 500 miles this year on the network and can honestly say that we have encountered fewer than 3 working parties. I wrote to the CRT earlier this year about how well maintained the privately owned Bridgewater canal is and why this couldn't be replicated in the rest of the network. It seems wokeness is more important. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jim Wortelhock said: Having received the new email from the CRT encouraging us all to address climate change I was wondering whether the organisation has lost its core purpose. We have travelled over 500 miles this year on the network and can honestly say that we have encountered fewer than 3 working parties. I wrote to the CRT earlier this year about how well maintained the privately owned Bridgewater canal is and why this couldn't be replicated in the rest of the network. It seems wokeness is more important. Im not sure being aware of the need to be mindful of ones impact on the climate is 'wokeness ' is it? The email obviously co incides with COP 26 which a lot of organisations are latching onto. Thinking about it logically and linking to maintenance there is a school of thought that says severe weather events directly draw down maintenance funds to fund repairs when flooding wrecks canal infrastructure. Edited November 11, 2021 by The Happy Nomad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lowe Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jim Wortelhock said: It seems wokeness is more important. Can you speak in plain English tht us old phogey's can understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree monkey Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 Whether CRT has lost its core purpose or not climate change is a tad more important than being "Woke" Beside that CRT have to position themselves as a broad appeal charity to strengthen its case for continued gov grant and using its environmental credentials is a good way of doing that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoominPapa Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, Jim Wortelhock said: Having received the new email from the CRT encouraging us all to address climate change I was wondering whether the organisation has lost its core purpose. We have travelled over 500 miles this year on the network and can honestly say that we have encountered fewer than 3 working parties. I wrote to the CRT earlier this year about how well maintained the privately owned Bridgewater canal is and why this couldn't be replicated in the rest of the network. It seems wokeness is more important. Please could you define what "wokeness" is, in your opinion. MP. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 I have to say that with the way CRT is going im starting to look back with fondness towards British Waterways...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheBiscuits Posted November 11, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, Jim Wortelhock said: We have travelled over 500 miles this year on the network and can honestly say that we have encountered fewer than 3 working parties. They schedule them well in advance. If you plan your journeys better you would be able to participate in more of them ... 27 minutes ago, Jim Wortelhock said: I wrote to the CRT earlier this year about how well maintained the privately owned Bridgewater canal is and why this couldn't be replicated in the rest of the network. The Bridgewater Canal Company doesn't spend as much as CRT maintaining locks, oddly enough! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Wortelhock Posted November 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 Yes. This was meant to be the main thrust of my argument. The CRT is failing in much of its core duties. The condition of the Rochdale, the locks in Manchester and a heavily overgrown Llangollen just 3 examples. I would prefer to receive emails about the network and not the climate. I'll leave that to the BBC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jim Wortelhock said: Yes. This was meant to be the main thrust of my argument. The CRT is failing in much of its core duties. The condition of the Rochdale, the locks in Manchester and a heavily overgrown Llangollen just 3 examples. I would prefer to receive emails about the network and not the climate. I'll leave that to the BBC. Then the title makes no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Jim Wortelhock said: We have travelled over 500 miles this year on the network and can honestly say that we have encountered fewer than 3 working parties. "Working parties" is a term I would associate with volunteer restoration and maintenance work, and would not expect to see it used referring to CRT staff or contractors carrying out their duties. So what "working parties" did you see, and more to the point what did you expect to see but not see? Did you visit any stoppages to see work going on? And how much maintenance work did you observe happening on the Bridgewater Canal? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 46 minutes ago, David Mack said: And how much maintenance work did you observe happening on the Bridgewater Canal? I've seen the Womble boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBiscuits Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 47 minutes ago, David Mack said: "Working parties" is a term I would associate with volunteer restoration and maintenance work, and would not expect to see it used referring to CRT staff or contractors carrying out their duties. So what "working parties" did you see, and more to the point what did you expect to see but not see? Ah. I assumed he was cross because he wanted to volunteer more and couldn't find enough places to do so ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arthur Marshall Posted November 11, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MoominPapa said: Please could you define what "wokeness" is, in your opinion. MP. Woke is a term used in an attempt to denigrate anyone who has any empathy or sympathy with those in less favourable circumstances than oneself. It had to be invented after the term "political correctness" became correctly understood to be an attempt to slander anyone who tried to speak or behave with concern for others, rather than behaving as if the only worth any person had was equivalent to their economic function, or the advantage that could be gained from using them as a thing, rather than a person.. Such mealy mouthed euphemisms are used by those who are so ashamed of their own attitudes that they need to find incomprehensible language to cloak them in, realising that should they actually voice these views, they would be correctly subject to universal condemnation. You normally find them used on the internet by those hiding, quite understandably, behind pseudonyms. Edited November 11, 2021 by Arthur Marshall 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 hours ago, MoominPapa said: Please could you define what "wokeness" is, in your opinion. MP. Woke is the past tense of wake so once you are awake you are in a state of 'wakeness', so you can now say "I am now in the state of wakeness", or, "yesterday I was in a state of wokeness" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 hours ago, frangar said: I have to say that with the way CRT is going im starting to look back with fondness towards British Waterways...... Surely it was only the sign over the door that changed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie patrick Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 I'm not sure the Bridgewater Canal is better maintained, not if my dealings with Peel are indicative of anything. I think it was just better built to start off with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MtB said: Surely it was only the sign over the door that changed. I reckon that the pinnacle of the 'modern' canals was in the 90's, since then it started to slide backwards with, as the KPMG report showed BW spending less each year on maintenance than was required to keep a 'steady state', let alone eat into the backlog. It then became like a snowball rolling down the mountain, by the time we got past 2012 and C&RT in control the snowball had become an avalanche. We left the canals in 2020 and I think the condition of the waterways was the worst I had seen it in 40+ years of boating. The 'Pub has changed its name but it has pretty much the same licencee's name over the door and the same bar staff. As time goes by they find they can get away with doing less and less. Edited November 11, 2021 by Alan de Enfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steilsteven Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 Funny how so many people use the term woke when they haven't got a clue what it means. It means being aware, it means not going around being blind to injustice. Being awake! Keith 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MtB Posted November 11, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: I reckon that the pinnacle of the 'modern' canals was in the 90's, since then it started to slide backwards with, as the KPMG report showed BW spending less each year on maintenance than was required to keep a 'steady state', let alone eat into the backlog. It then became like a snowball rolling down the mountain, by the time we got past 2012 and C&RT in control the snowball had become an avalanche. We left the canals in 2020 and I think the condition of the waterways was the worst I had seen it in 40+ years of boating. Same name over the door, but as time goes by they find they can get away with doing less and less. As the cut got easier, I always thought it sucked in the less and less capable boaters with ever higher expectations regarding the standards of maintenance and ease of boating. Once the navigation was near-perfect we had complaints on here about how unsuitably frequently the grass was being cut.... Perversely I'm feeling that as the system degrades, only the more committed boaters will persist. Those for whom navigating is a challenge and more the pleasure for that. Edited November 11, 2021 by MtB Delete stray phrase 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Steilsteven said: Funny how so many people use the term woke when they haven't got a clue what it means. It means being aware, it means not going around being blind to injustice. Being awake! Keith No wonder it's used as an insult by some on here, then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davis Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Jim Wortelhock said: Yes. This was meant to be the main thrust of my argument. The CRT is failing in much of its core duties. The condition of the Rochdale, the locks in Manchester and a heavily overgrown Llangollen just 3 examples. I would prefer to receive emails about the network and not the climate. I'll leave that to the BBC. 1/ Define "wokeness", as so far nothing you have written makes much sense? 2/ Define the core duties of CaRT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Briss Posted November 12, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 "Woke", "politically correct", "playing the race card", "white lives matter".... all examples of what's sometimes called "playing the shell game". It allows people to dismiss the serious concerns of others about the systematic racism, sexism, homophobia etc that other people encounter in their day-to-day lives. Anybody who expresses empathy with the less fortunate or the oppressed; anybody who expresses concern with the state of the world, whether it be about climate, refugees, poverty etc; anybody who speaks up for the downtrodden, marginalised, dispossessed and exploited can be dismissed and their concerns ignored by using one of the above phrases. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan(nb Albert) Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 9 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said: Woke is the past tense of wake so once you are awake you are in a state of 'wakeness', so you can now say "I am now in the state of wakeness", or, "yesterday I was in a state of wokeness" Shirley its wot you cook your Chinese food in ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Allan(nb Albert) said: Shirley its wot you cook your Chinese food in ... Nigella Lawson uses one alongside her meecrowayvee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 10 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said: Woke is the past tense of wake so once you are awake you are in a state of 'wakeness', so you can now say "I am now in the state of wakeness", or, "yesterday I was in a state of wokeness" From my collection, a suggestion for CART's new theme song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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