Another new electrician :(

[Hudds Lad]

Have any of you who are offering help considered you may be on "the list" so your replies are not being seen?

 

In which case it's hard to reply to questions you don't know are being asked, this is the flaw in blocking people.

[Murflynn]

7 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

So you no longer have a charger for the bow batteries ?

 

I'll try for the last time :

How are (all) the batteries connected and charged ?

How is your solar connected, and to where is it connected ?

 

how very dare you ask Her Highness personal questions like that?  

[Alan de Enfield]

3 minutes ago, Hudds Lad said:

Have any of you who are offering help considered you may be on "the list" so your replies are not being seen?

 

In which case it's hard to reply to questions you don't know are being asked, this is the flaw in blocking people.

 

The 'flaw' is in blocking the people who have the knowledge to help.

relying on everyone who agrees with you and say "O' what a horrible time you are having" gets you no where

[Murflynn]

4 minutes ago, Hudds Lad said:

Have any of you who are offering help considered you may be on "the list" so your replies are not being seen?

 

In which case it's hard to reply to questions you don't know are being asked, this is the flaw in blocking people.

 

they (we) consider that to be a privilege  

2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

 

I can understand why you are now on your 9th electrician.

 

 

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[PD1964]

I think being blocked by the OP would be a good thing, as she only seams to frustrate and confuse and offers little in the way of expertise.

[ditchcrawler]

1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

So you no longer have a charger for the bow batteries ?

 

I'll try for the last time :

How are (all) the batteries connected and charged ?

How is your solar connected, and to where is it connected ?

I have tried asking that as well

[haggis]

I think it might be G & T time ?

[LadyG]

7 hours ago, cheesegas said:

Do you have any of the info we have asked for? Cable size?

 

Not letting people work on it until you're desperate may be why you keep on killing batteries.

There are cables of all sizes, every where, I assume they are what they were when boat was fitted out, things seem to be going from bad to worse, I'm not going to allow any radical re wiring, things were working, now they are not, that's the summation.

[haggis]

6 minutes ago, LadyG said:

There are cables of all sizes, every where, I assume they are what they were when boat was fitted out, things seem to be going from bad to worse, I'm not going to allow any radical re wiring, things were working, now they are not, that's the summation.

I don't think anyone is suggesting a radical rewiring. They are asking questions which if you gave them the answers they might be able to work out for you why things are going from bad to worse.  If they don't have the information, how can they help ? 

So far they are working in the dark with very little help from you. 

Please try giving them the info they ask for ( I don't think the questions were very difficult to answer) and you might get some answers.

 

Haggis

[Mad Harold]

I am beginning to think the lady is taking the urine!

[David Mack]

39 minutes ago, haggis said:

I think it might be G & T time ?

Does G&T go with popcorn?

[LadyG]

6 hours ago, David Mack said:

Why do you have a separate set of batteries to run the fridge? Do they serve any other purpose? If not you would be far better off running a new set of suitably beefy cables direct from the fridge to the main fuse box. That way they would share the battery with your other electrical kit, and be closer to the sources of charging. It's a simpler arrangement and what everybody else does, and it works.

I did not set this up, I am not going to  rip out the wiring on the whole boat, it normally works. The reason there are batteries in the bow is that they were once connected to bow thruster and the guy who fitted it out wired it that way.

 

The radio is no longer showing illumination, nor the USB sockets in the same area, and now the two domestic banks are 'joined as one', in that the stern cabin lights do not turn off when their isolator is turned off, but the bow isolator is on, and the fridge which is on the bow batteries will not turn off when the bow isolator is off but the stern battery is on. Electrician says he did nothing to cause this!

I've turned the three battery isolators to off, await his return, the sun should still be sending 3.9 amps to ALLthe batteries, only the invertor is removing amps, and I will turn it off, now, as it only charges the laptop, I think

 I know exactly what is going to happen, a fallout, he walks away and I am stuffed. I should have held back his labour costs, he has no incentive to fix this, and worse, he may not  be able to do so. I might be wrong, lets try to be positive

Edited May 13, 2021 by LadyG

[Tracy D'arth]

This is the lady who delights in insulting people who try to help. I remember a helpful guy called Sam being called a tw*t just for asking how he could help.

Not answering sensible questions seems to be her raison d'etre for some crazy reason.

[Jerra]

2 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I did not set this up, I am not going to  rip out the wiring on the whole boat, it normally works.

Nobody that I have read has even hinted that any of the wiring needs ripped out all they have done is ask for details so that they can help you.

[haggis]

And still no answers to the simple questions asked on here! Why ?

I think if I was the current electrician I would be going nowhere near the boat. 

It is not his fault that there in no Arial or speakers. Would a simple little stand alone radio not have been a better idea? Why a car radio ?

 

Haggis

 

 

[LadyG]

1 minute ago, Jerra said:

Nobody that I have read has even hinted that any of the wiring needs ripped out all they have done is ask for details so that they can help you.

I'm sorry, but I can only see a few cables, and the battery ones are fat, most of the others are not visible, and I have no means of measuring them. I don't think it is anything to do with size, the boat has been working for twenty years, the only recent wiring was the change over of bow batteries, which was described as a simple enough job , and the install of the media / radio, in the same place as the previous one, I removed the old radio,  and labelled the fuse cables, two thinnish cables, and labelled the power switch, again fairly thin cables. Electrician could not find aerial , I don't know if he expected one of these big jack plug one used to get on car radios, when I was doing things like that. He says he will bring an aerial. The previous radio had DAB facility, but there is no mention of that in the new instructions.

[LadyG]

9 minutes ago, haggis said:

And still no answers to the simple questions asked on here! Why ?

I think if I was the current electrician I would be going nowhere near the boat. 

It is not his fault that there in no Arial or speakers. Would a simple little stand alone radio not have been a better idea? Why a car radio ?

 

Haggis

 

 

There was previously,  a car radio fitted in the boat, , it died, and I had no 'code', so it seemed better to buy something that looked better, else it leaves a great big hole in the control panel, there are two loudspeakers, at the moment , but the radio is not connected to an aerial, so not much use, The radio is designed to have four speakers. There is wiring for four, but one was removed by another electrician.

This new electrician agreed to change the batteries and install the radio, I can't do it, or I would not ask him to do it, he's the electrician, not me. Thank God it's not a difficult job!

Edited May 13, 2021 by LadyG

[Jennifer McM]

Can't you take a few pictures of the setup LadyG? More the merrier I think.

[LadyG]

2 minutes ago, Jennifer McM said:

Can't you take a few pictures of the setup LadyG? More the merrier I think.

I dont think you have grasped my technical limitations

[bizzard]

I have.

[LadyG]

7 hours ago, Eeyore said:

I suspect that the initial problem lies with the phrase “charged and ready to fit” which often crops up in an automotive context. The two new batteries would have undoubtedly benefited from a full charge before fitting. Whether they have been fitted correctly is a different matter of course.

I agree, having spent a week selecting deep cycle from specialist battery folks, that was all swept aside, and two leisured were picked up locally, it's a pain to have to charge them, when there was no urgency to do the job straight away, slso having fully charged batteries gives me a baseline.

[Alan de Enfield]

1 hour ago, PD1964 said:

she only seams to frustrate and confuse and offers little in the way of expertise.

 

I think you are being too generous.

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I dont think you have grasped my technical limitations

 

I think we have not only grasped you technical limitations but your lack of even trying to help yourself and your appaling treatment of anyone who does try and do work for you.

 

I don't think it will be very long before you dont get any answers to cries for help.

[Murflynn]

58 minutes ago, Mad Harold said:

I am beginning to think the lady is taking the urine!

 

I would have blocked her ages ago but her posts are often sooo entertaining    ?

[Jerra]

5 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I agree, having spent a week selecting deep cycle from specialist battery folks, that was all swept aside, and two leisured were picked up locally,

Not being terribly up on my physics I am getting confused by terminology.   I have always understood leisure batteries as in those used for caravans etc to be a form of deep cycling battery.   When you say deep cycling batteries do you mean traction batteries which I understand may be a slightly different form of deep cycling or perhaps it might be better to say deeper cycling.

[LadyG]

35 minutes ago, Jerra said:

Not being terribly up on my physics I am getting confused by terminology.   I have always understood leisure batteries as in those used for caravans etc to be a form of deep cycling battery.   When you say deep cycling batteries do you mean traction batteries which I understand may be a slightly different form of deep cycling or perhaps it might be better to say deeper cycling.

There are agms which cost not a lot, for motorhomes, leisure, likely to be charged at home, or just light use, there are deep cycle, ie more cycles for liveaboard which are up to twice the cost, Trojans for example (not sure if they are lead acid, but its the cycle principle), Of course its all marketing if you are not carefull, Leisure is even a make of leisure batteries, and Trojans dont have any horsepower whatsoever 

I identify leisure as the type which are not starter batteries, ie they expect to drain slowly, for hi fi, lighting, but a true deep cycle will expect harsh treatment, maybe fridges., the modern agm, as far as I am aware are able to go lower discharge before they 'lose a cycle', so take more abuse, but cost more. That is based on opinion rather than scientific research, I can't access my batteris, so have chsnged thrm all yo agm, and the rlectrcians who don't spend a lot of time searching for best value, buy leisures, not deep cycle, 'cos it's simpler just to pick them up locally.

Edited May 13, 2021 by LadyG
my strategy was to buy