RickS Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Hello I am taking up the old, tatty carpet on most of the boat with a view to laying adhesive vinyl planks from B & Q. The ply that I found under the carpet looks like shutter ply and, although sound, it is not the smoothest surface and i worry that all the bumps would show through the thin vinyl. What would be the best thing to do, lay a thin but smooth 6mm ply over the top first, or seal the shutter ply with something which would both seal and smooth out the imperfections - latex, PVA based? Thanks for usual help and advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thames Bhaji Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 I’d be tempted to bed a thinnish layer of something on to a bed of flexible floor tile adhesive, applied with a notched trowel. Tile-backer board might be worth looking at - it can be quite thin while also being less affected by moisture than ply. You’d want to be careful where the boards join to avoid ridges showing through the vinyl. Perhaps lay some thin battens over the joins, screwed down while the adhesive sets. You could also skim the joints with a bit of feathering compound if you needed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Brummie Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 I'd be inclined to consider the B&Q 'click lock' vinyl planking. This is thicker than your adhesive one, and is much more durable. It is more expensive, but will last much,much longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thames Bhaji Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Ex Brummie said: I'd be inclined to consider the B&Q 'click lock' vinyl planking. This is thicker than your adhesive one, and is much more durable. It is more expensive, but will last much,much longer much easier than my suggestion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Karndean Looselay vinyl planks is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) Depends on how flat the subfloor is. Looselay can move around a bit on an uneven subfloor. Karndean technical have told me that their gluedown range would be better for my uneven floor. I take my shoes off on the boat so In the end I decided against any karndean as it's too cold underfoot. I've got B&Q click-lock laminate flooring in my bathroom and kitchen but wouldn't use it again for the same reason. I'm thinking about wood effect Flotex flooring laid over Regupol 4515 Multi 3mm to compensate for the subfloor joints, imperfections, etc. This is the stuff Karndean recommend. https://flooringwarehousedirect.co.uk/product/regupol-4515-multi-3mm/ Edited May 8, 2021 by blackrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) Do NOT buy B&Q, I have had stick on planks, bad. I have had carpet, not good unless you never let a particle of dirt inside boat and hoover every day. Flotex was expensive, but never looked 'super', and as cat was brown, carpet ended up brown. I have now laid Artco, off Ebay needs to be cut upside down, then laid, temp needs to be warm. brother thinks it looks like a hospital, I think it is clean and easy to clean. Ve aware that the youtube vlogs show that it is easy to cut, it is easy to cut if very warm, otherwise it is rhinoscerous hide, 1 hour ago, Rick Savery said: Hello I am taking up the old, tatty carpet on most of the boat with a view to laying adhesive vinyl planks from B & Q. No Edited May 8, 2021 by LadyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted May 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 51 minutes ago, Thames Bhaji said: I’d be tempted to bed a thinnish layer of something on to a bed of flexible floor tile adhesive, applied with a notched trowel. Tile-backer board might be worth looking at - it can be quite thin while also being less affected by moisture than ply. You’d want to be careful where the boards join to avoid ridges showing through the vinyl. Perhaps lay some thin battens over the joins, screwed down while the adhesive sets. You could also skim the joints with a bit of feathering compound if you needed to. Thanks for that. Would I need to use adhesive? Could I not just nail the layer down with thin headless pins or similar? Skimming the joints and nail head sounds good, if nailing is OK 50 minutes ago, Ex Brummie said: I'd be inclined to consider the B&Q 'click lock' vinyl planking. This is thicker than your adhesive one, and is much more durable. It is more expensive, but will last much,much longer Thanks Ex Brummie. Unfortunately I have already bought the vinyl planks in a burst of over-eagerness. Similar reply to Tonka, thank you. Not sure why Karndean would be better? isn't the same thickness but considerably more expensive? I presume the quality may well be better but isn't thickness the key issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted May 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 34 minutes ago, LadyG said: Do NOT buy B&Q, I have had stick on planks, bad. I have had carpet, not good unless you never let a particle of dirt inside boat and hoover every day. Flotex was expensive, but never looked 'super', and as cat was brown, carpet ended up brown. I have now laid Artco, off Ebay needs to be cut upside down, then laid, temp needs to be warm. brother thinks it looks like a hospital, I think it is clean and easy to clean. Ve aware that the youtube vlogs show that it is easy to cut, it is easy to cut if very warm, otherwise it is rhinoscerous hide, No Ah, LadyG, thanks . I think I should have asked the question some time ago before i had bought the flooring - too late to take it back I think, bought well before the last lockdown. So, have to persevere with what i've got 37 minutes ago, blackrose said: Depends on how flat the subfloor is. Looselay can move around a bit on an uneven subfloor. Karndean technical have told me that their gluedown range would be better for my uneven floor. I take my shoes off on the boat so In the end I decided against any karndean as it's too cold underfoot. I've got B&Q click-lock laminate flooring in my bathroom and kitchen but wouldn't use it again for the same reason. I'm thinking about wood effect Flotex flooring laid over Regupol 4515 Multi 3mm to compensate for the subfloor joints, imperfections, etc. This is the stuff Karndean recommend. https://flooringwarehousedirect.co.uk/product/regupol-4515-multi-3mm/ Thanks Blackrose. I'm beginning to feel I have bought the wrong product! Sadly I have to go with what I've got, but good info for the rest of the boat (bedroom at least) as I have only bought enough of the B & Q adhesive vinyl for the saloon at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 My advice would be to bite the bullet, throw it away and start again. I know, I've got some.??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearley Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Perhaps LVT Underlay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted May 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Slim said: My advice would be to bite the bullet, throw it away and start again. I know, I've got some.??? I am beginning to think this might not be a bad idea - although I won't throw it away, its about £130 worth ? Back to the drwaing board possibly so will look at suggestions above more closely now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Rick Savery said: Ah, LadyG, thanks . I think I should have asked the question some time ago before i had bought the flooring - too late to take it back I think, bought well before the last lockdown. So, have to persevere with what i've got Thanks Blackrose. I'm beginning to feel I have bought the wrong product! Sadly I have to go with what I've got, but good info for the rest of the boat (bedroom at least) as I have only bought enough of the B & Q adhesive vinyl for the saloon at present. I'd just carry on and see how long it lasts. I'm sure I've heard that some people think it's fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chagall Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rick Savery said: I am beginning to think this might not be a bad idea - although I won't throw it away, its about £130 worth ? Back to the drawing board possibly so will look at suggestions above more closely now Or put it in the least footfall area, the bedroom/bathroom? with plenty of rugs on it. (I corrected your spelling of "drawing" just because I couldn't bear to send it back, sorry!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted May 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Sounds worth a look, thanks. I can't get the hang of deleting duplicate quotes, so forgive the confusion No, can't get rid of the blasted things 2 hours ago, pearley said: Perhaps LVT Underlay 2 hours ago, pearley said: Perhaps LVT Underlay 1 minute ago, Chagall said: Or put it in the least footfall area, the bedroom/bathroom? with plenty of rugs on it. (I corrected your spelling of "drawing" just because I couldn't bear to send it back, sorry!) No problem at all with spelling corrections - I type fast and I have large hands ? really should get in the habit or reading my replies before posting though! I don't have an issue with the product itself and its longevity, I just want to find out what to lay it on considering the existing flooring is shutter ply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted May 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, blackrose said: I'd just carry on and see how long it lasts. I'm sure I've heard that some people think it's fine. Thanks Blackrose. It's not the product I have an issue with per se, it's what to lay it on really. I too, have heard that it is quite good, I am just not convinced that the bumpiness of the shutter ply type underfloor won't show through without something underneath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Personally I would lay more carpet, I like to be able to get at the bottom of the boat if possible and permanently fixed flooring makes that impossible. Carpets or rugs are warm, soft, easy to lay and can be cheap enough to be disposable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Percy Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, Bee said: I like to be able to get at the bottom of the boat if possible and permanently fixed flooring makes that impossible. Agree with that. I've taken the time to put in removable sections; it would be silly then to stick down a layer on top of that. However, it could be possible to use adhesive only on the boards which don't cross the threshold between those sections of flooring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy D'arth Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Carpet tiles were made for this job. Hard wearing, easy to lay and lift to get underneath, cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbfiresprite Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 I had B&Q adhesive vinyl planks laid down throughout the boat for years never had a problem, As long as they are installed right way there will be no problems. I did ask around first for the best thing to lay them down on. I was told to use tempered hardboard smooth side up on top of fibreboard underlay. Which is what I did and it has been down for over ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detling Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 I have laid B & Q stick down vinyl on smooth plywood with no problems in 6 years hard use. I thinnk the secret is smooth plywood which was vacuum cleaned and then painted with PVA before laying the self adhesive tiles and rolled down with a rolling pin with a lot of pressure to ensure they were stuck with no air underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bearwood Boster Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 11 hours ago, Tonka said: Karndean Looselay vinyl planks is the way to go. Exactly what we used a few years ago & it'a fab! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Slim said: My advice would be to bite the bullet, throw it away and start again. I know, I've got some.??? The trouble with the stick on vinyl is that the floor moves, the planks either rise up against one another, or open up and trap dirt, and show colour below. Once you use any adhesive, it's a nightmare to remove. My floor base could not have been less smooth. I really did not like the B&Q look. Edited May 8, 2021 by LadyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeby100 Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Take it back and ask for a credit note or swap no cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted May 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 On 08/05/2021 at 17:25, Bee said: Personally I would lay more carpet, I like to be able to get at the bottom of the boat if possible and permanently fixed flooring makes that impossible. Carpets or rugs are warm, soft, easy to lay and can be cheap enough to be disposable. Thanks Bee. No access to bottom of the boat at the moment, but did think of cuttiing out discs to access it before laying any floor. On 08/05/2021 at 17:50, Sir Percy said: Agree with that. I've taken the time to put in removable sections; it would be silly then to stick down a layer on top of that. However, it could be possible to use adhesive only on the boards which don't cross the threshold between those sections of flooring. Thanks Sir Percy. It would be silly if I already had access, but I don't. Will try and cut some access before laying anything (with matching holes in any flooring laid) Not 100% sure what you mean about crossing threshold etc, but assume the gist is about retaing some sort of access to bilge On 08/05/2021 at 17:59, Tracy D'arth said: Carpet tiles were made for this job. Hard wearing, easy to lay and lift to get underneath, cheap. Thanks Tracy. Carpet tiles certainly worth thinking about in other areas of boat where I don't have enough vinyl, or possibly instead of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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