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26 minutes ago, rogeriko said:

Of course Politicians wouldn't dare to talk about this.

Perhaps, but they have been told about it by a member of SAGE back in July: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53488142

""Even, actually, if we have a vaccine or very good treatments, humanity will still be living with this virus for very many, many years.... decades to come."

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10 hours ago, Slim said:

I have my Tesco delivery arriving tomorrow and wonder how many items will be substituted or deleted. Their best substitution so far was WD40 substituted with fuel conditioner (it's the only one I've ever sent back.) Was going down to the boat on Monday for a week or so but now it looks like a flying visit on Monday to double check that it's sound for a few months of neglect. 

Pretty anti-social

I would say it is not anti social, if he stays put he may be in an area where hundreds of walkers and cyclists pass evry dsy, not to mention staring in the windows, the idea is to look after number one, and in the process stop any infection spreading to society, so common sense dictates movement, otherwise what happens is everyone congregates at the services, thus encouraging 'socialising'.

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9 hours ago, LadyG said:

You are wrong, they are doing what is easy.

eg the trip to the supermarket is best done by car, then only one person goes in to shop, wearing disposable gloves and face mask, sanitising the trolley and sanitising all food with wipes, then exiting using self service, then loading the car and returning home to watch day time TV, or whatever.

This would mean all shoppers would be single shoppers, and they are not. They have not GOT THE MESSAGE it is people who are spreading the disease, the virus is on the hands of people, so they should not mess about when shopping. Go to supermarket when it is likely to be quiet, sanitise trollley, fill trolley, with packaged food, wipe packaging before puting it in trolley, pay and depart, wipe anything which has been touched before taking it home.

When home wash hands, and stay at home as much as you can.

Repeat once a week.

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I see the usual suspects don't like the idea of 'inconvenience', presumably thinking that the 'guidelines' will stop the disease spreading, it did not work the last time, so why would it work now?

If you can remember the last Foot and Mouth outbreak, when hundreds and thousands of cattle were destroyed, this viral disease was spread by cattle dealers and rogue farmers moving infected cattle in order to gain a small financial advantage for themselves.

It was halted by draconian Government measures plus the co-operation of the majority of farmers, who put a lot of effort, time and resources to identify the disease and they also took strict pre-emptive measures to prevent the spread. 

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12 hours ago, nbfiresprite said:

>>Once again I be back on the damm camp bed again in the office, if I want to hang on to my job.<<

 

There are hundreds of thousands of people out there who would be delighted to have that opportunity.

 

11 hours ago, mrsmelly said:

ts an impossible situation for anyone. Take kids out of school and someone has to look after them if they are young. Pleased I am retired. I suppose teachers get full pay if they go in or not?

 

Yes, because they are still working. Online learning and Zoom sessions don't plan themselves. 

 

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59 minutes ago, LadyG said:

Bump,

I see the usual suspects don't like the idea of 'inconvenience', presumably thinking that the 'guidelines' will stop the disease spreading, it did not work the last time, so why would it work now?

If you can remember the last Foot and Mouth outbreak, when hundreds and thousands of cattle were destroyed, this viral disease was spread by cattle dealers and rogue farmers moving infected cattle in order to gain a small financial advantage for themselves.

It was halted by draconian Government measures plus the co-operation of the majority of farmers, who put a lot of effort, time and resources to identify the disease and they also took strict pre-emptive measures to prevent the spread. 

Plus, for foot and mouth, there was an effective test and trace system, run by people who had the job because they knew what they were doing, not because they were best mates with the minister.

I'm off to panic buy some bog roll.

Jen

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9 hours ago, nbfiresprite said:

Did a late shop in the local Tesco's, the locusts had been in earier. So you may find 'Loo' roll replaced with 'sandpaper' or a dish mop.  

 

Understandable - both will function as equivalents in times of need.

 

One of our worst 'substitutions' was a tub of sliced cucumber instead of a bag of 'frozen Summer Fruits' berries (as used to make a desert with Ice cream or Yoghurt) Not quite equivalent.

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4 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Understandable - both will function as equivalents in times of need.

 

One of our worst 'substitutions' was a tub of sliced cucumber instead of a bag of 'frozen Summer Fruits' berries (as used to make a desert with Ice cream or Yoghurt) Not quite equivalent.

On first reading I wondered how the hell tesco substituted sliced cucumber for toilet roll :)

 

perils of skim reading 

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32 minutes ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

Plus, for foot and mouth, there was an effective test and trace system, run by people who had the job because they knew what they were doing, not because they were best mates with the minister.

I'm off to panic buy some bog roll.

Jen

There was a testing system, but not trace, that was instigated afterwards, where all domestic beasts now need to have individual passports, ear tags etc etc. At the time farmers and dealers had a very casual log book, kind of "this little piggy went to market, 500 little piggies stayed at home"

There were visible disease symptoms and the Ministry were able to recruit vets from the private sector to inspect and sample.

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6 minutes ago, LadyG said:

There was a testing system, but not trace, that was instigated afterwards, where all domestic beasts now need to have individual passports, ear tags etc etc. At the time farmers and dealers had a very casual log book, kind of "this little piggy went to market, 500 little piggies stayed at home"

There were visible disease symptoms and the Ministry were able to recruit vets from the private sector to inspect and sample.

There is also a 21 day quarantine when an pig for instance is moved to another place/farm nothing else can be taken from there except to slaughter.

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10 hours ago, Cheshire cat said:

In normal times I would agree but as the insurance companies have said, these are exceptional times. . I would be suprised if the armed forces offered their employees those terms. We are at war with an invisible enemy. Having said that if someone wanted to dip out I wouldn't think bad of them. 

The subtle difference there is that you know when you join up that you may be shot at. 

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Why has the lockdown been announced but with a 4 day warning, seemingly designed to guarantee a few days of partying and driving around the country to be somewhere comfy for the next week weeks?

In France the PM went on tv at 6 pm, announced a lockdown from midnight, admittedly after the president announced the move a day earlier, but still with much less notice.

Oh, and here again, we have to fill in a form each time we need to leave the house, and can only do so under certain circumstances, and it makes one consider if one actually could justify that journey to a gendarme. Why not do the same in England?

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2 hours ago, LadyG said:

I would say it is not anti social, if he stays put he may be in an area where hundreds of walkers and cyclists pass evry dsy, not to mention staring in the windows, the idea is to look after number one, and in the process stop any infection spreading to society, so common sense dictates movement, otherwise what happens is everyone congregates at the services, thus encouraging 'socialising'.

We had 2 boats for over 6 months and 1 slightly less on a very big moorings at Eastwood 

7 minutes ago, Stilllearning said:

Why has the lockdown been announced but with a 4 day warning, seemingly designed to guarantee a few days of partying and driving around the country to be somewhere comfy for the next week weeks?

In France the PM went on tv at 6 pm, announced a lockdown from midnight, admittedly after the president announced the move a day earlier, but still with much less notice.

Oh, and here again, we have to fill in a form each time we need to leave the house, and can only do so under certain circumstances, and it makes one consider if one actually could justify that journey to a gendarme. Why not do the same in England?

Maybe it's to give people and businesses time to sort things out?

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3 minutes ago, peterboat said:

We had 2 boats for over 6 months and 1 slightly less on a very big moorings at Eastwood 

Maybe it's to give people and businesses time to sort things out?

And maybe because the blond slug is a ditherer. Fast decisions need to be taken, and he is very bad at those.

That notice wasn’t needed here so one has to ask why it is over where you are.

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11 minutes ago, Stilllearning said:

Why has the lockdown been announced but with a 4 day warning, seemingly designed to guarantee a few days of partying and driving around the country to be somewhere comfy for the next week weeks?

In France the PM went on tv at 6 pm, announced a lockdown from midnight, admittedly after the president announced the move a day earlier, but still with much less notice.

Oh, and here again, we have to fill in a form each time we need to leave the house, and can only do so under certain circumstances, and it makes one consider if one actually could justify that journey to a gendarme. Why not do the same in England?

Is it not because it has to be put to Parliament first?

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58 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

There is also a 21 day quarantine when an pig for instance is moved to another place/farm nothing else can be taken from there except to slaughter.

Also at the time of the last F & M outbreak you had to have a licence to move the pig.   When I first started moving pigs you had to get the licence from the local police.

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1 minute ago, Stilllearning said:

Like all the other decisions that weren’t?

Don't know about that, we are talking specifics here.

New Government commitment

On Wednesday 30 September, Matt Hancock (Health Secretary) promised the Commons that “for significant national measures with effect in the whole of England or UK-wide” the Government would (a) consult parliament and (b) hold votes (wherever possible) before regulations come into force. He also promised that there would be regular statements and debates in parliament, and more opportunity for parliament to question government scientific advisors.

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3 minutes ago, Traveller said:

Is it not because it has to be put to Parliament first?

As I understand it it goes before Parliament on Wednesday.   A foregone conclusion I suspect because Tory MPs will be afraid of being thrown out of the party as Alexander did with those who disagree with him.

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1 minute ago, Jerra said:

As I understand it it goes before Parliament on Wednesday.   A foregone conclusion I suspect because Tory MPs will be afraid of being thrown out of the party as Alexander did with those who disagree with him.

Take your point but not so sure the threat of being chucked out is so potent now - there does seem to be a growing willingness to question/oppose. In this instance it is obviously just a matter of routine given the opposition have been pushing for such a course.

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15 minutes ago, peterboat said:

 

Maybe it's to give people and businesses time to sort things out?

Quite possibly, and also to give people time to do shopping which they may not be able to do during a lock-down because some shops will be closed.

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26 minutes ago, Jerra said:

Also at the time of the last F & M outbreak you had to have a licence to move the pig.   When I first started moving pigs you had to get the licence from the local police.

We were on the gloucester and sharpness canal moving off from Saul Junction moorings to escape that god awful canal and were stopped at Splatt bridge. Nice BW chap said we couldnt go any further and offered us a free mooring for as long as we needed it.

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