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Proper Charlie

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  1. So May is taking it to the cliff edge. Again. Honestly, everything about Brexit, from first to last, is to first of all enable the Tories' rich mates to make even more money from a deregulated economy and secondly to hold the party together. There is nothing whatsoever in Brexit for ordinary folk. What a con job.
  2. Some good analysis of where we now are and why: https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/03/18/bercow-detonates-may-s-third-vote-with-dramatic-brexitinterv
  3. Exactly. When things move on (events, dear boy, events) or new knowledge is gathered, then it's time to check the public mood again. That's what democracy is. I can't quite believe that some folk in Parliament think it's quite alright to bring the same thing back for a vote for a third or even a fourth time, but it isn't acceptable to ask the people to cast their vote again when things are now so much clearer. It seems to me that the PM and her party are not the slightest interested in a democratic outcome.
  4. I agree with that, apart from the EU bit. I think many, many people had reached the end of their tether and wanted to give the Government a bloody nose. They were leading lives with not enough money, no faith in politicians and little hope of things ever getting better thanks to austerity. If you've got sod all and somebody comes along and asks "Do you want things to stay exactly as they are, or would you like to try something different?", they're only going to vote one way. The whole Brexit debacle has been due to the Conservative party trying to heal its internal rifts, then conducting an awful campaign (not helped by Corbyn's vacillations) before stupidly saying that they would enact the outcome of what was actually an advisory referendum. Then they were defeated precisely because of their own policies (austerity). Somebody mentioned Brown being a terrible PM, but I counter that with... the idiot Cameron.
  5. I enjoy all live sport, but that game at twickenham was something else. Fantastic game and well done to both teams.
  6. Gosh, an MP has found some principles, presumably down the back of the sofa: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47594875
  7. Agree absolutely with all that. I also have friends in both camps. This issue is threatening to rip the country apart, and we mustn't ever forget that the things that bind us are much stronger than the things we disagree on.
  8. And this is the thing that most MPs dare not say in public. They're frightened of their party leaders, terrified of their constituency chairs and scared witless of voters. If they stand up for what they know is right, that means they have to say that the public was wrong or deluded or was misled. None of those things are pleasant for the public to hear, no matter how accurate they may be, and there would be a backlash that would see MPs lose their jobs and expenses, and their party lose office. We desperately need MPs with the balls to make tough decisions in the national interest, but we simply don't appear to have them. If all MPs are supposed to do is vote in exactly the way their constituents tell them, we may as well replace parliament with an app, so people can vote at home as they do with X Factor etc. We deserve better.
  9. Probably not good for the blood pressure of the Leavers around here, but this made me laugh. It is the Guardian, which might put some off, but rest assured that Corbyn gets done over as well as May. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/13/theresa-may-deal-europe-eu-mps
  10. Follow the Twitter conversations.
  11. Carole Cadwalladr is a fine journalist. She claims that Farage and Banks have persuaded fascist leaders in Europe to veto any extension of Article 50. So it'll be no deal, unless (I think) the Government withdraws Article 50 completely. This is the end game now. Our country possibly destroyed by treasonous individuals (I don't mean Leave voters per se, but I do mean Farage, Banks, Gove, Johnson, Rees-Mogg et al). https://twitter.com/search?q=Carole Cadwalladr&src=tyah
  12. Precisely. Nobody knows what anybody other than themselves imagined what they voted for, because the referendum was so poorly organised. We need a second referendum that has some clearly defined options that we've all learnt to understand (May's deal, no deal, remain), otherwise we're going to get something that the vast majority of people will be unhappy with. Madness.
  13. It'll probably annoy some leavers on here, but Michael Gove has helpfully confirmed that nobody voted for a no deal Brexit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47519637 He appealed for unity among MPs and the country, and rejected the notion of a no-deal Brexit: "We didn't vote to leave without a deal. That wasn't the message of the campaign I helped lead."
  14. Which is precisely why we have never had any chance of negotiating a better deal than remaining in the EU.
  15. About time, too. Labour's sitting-on-hands policy about Brexit has been shameful.
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