Jerra Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, WotEver said: Yes I am sure, but the caveat is that it must be on your own land, or land that you manage, or with the landowner's permission: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wild-birds-licence-to-take-or-kill-for-health-or-safety-purposes Ah the general license I had forgotten that. The quote from the NON Native Secretariat is a little misleading. It also requires as your link says An H &S or Health problem to be solved not just a dislike of the bird. Edited August 7, 2017 by Jerra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jerra said: It also requires as your link says An H &S or Health problem to be solved not just a dislike of the bird. "These geese are shitting all over the place and that caused a health hazard". I guess that would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Just now, WotEver said: "These geese are shitting all over the place and that caused a health hazard". I guess that would work. It might I suspect it would depend on the personal view of the official/court dealing with the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haza Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Some time back I went fishing with my other half ,he was fishing .i sunbathing ,that was until there was this almighty screaming and shouting this swan was trying its utmost to serious harm to a fellow fisherman ,every one on the pool had to take cover in there cars ,when the swan had got now one else to attack ,,he turned on another swan ,it was horrific ,,I said it was like it was a fight to the death ,,,and how right I was it killed the other swan ,,the RSPCA where called and they had to shot it . I have seen first hand what damage the swan can do ,,I would not want to see anything like that again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Dealing with an aggressive goose is perfectly straightforward. Grab it behind the head and turn its head around to point away from you. Then lead it to the water's edge and shove it in. The paddling reflex kicks in and it forgets all about you. I have the feeling this would work just as well with a swan but I've never tried it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, haza said: Some time back I went fishing with my other half ,he was fishing .i sunbathing ,that was until there was this almighty screaming and shouting this swan was trying its utmost to serious harm to a fellow fisherman ,every one on the pool had to take cover in there cars ,when the swan had got now one else to attack ,,he turned on another swan ,it was horrific ,,I said it was like it was a fight to the death ,,,and how right I was it killed the other swan ,,the RSPCA where called and they had to shot it . I have seen first hand what damage the swan can do ,,I would not want to see anything like that again If you Google swans fighting you will find multiple instances of this being reported. I have witnessed swans fighting viscously near Redhill on the river Soar and seen first hand how they will try to drown each other by grabbing the neck and holding the head under water. Whilst it is very frightening to watch it is after just nature at work with one swan trying to become dominant or trying to protect its territory. What surprises me is you say the RSPCA had to shoot the swan do you mean the swan that won? If so then I wonder why they did that as the dominant swan was just doing what nature dictates and once the fight was over things return to their natural order I. E the dominant swan takes over or retains its dominance whichever the case may be. Whether the RSPCA have the right to shoot a Swan because it is scaring people, if in fact that is what they did, is debatable. Taking it as a hypothetical If a swan is so territorial in a public space e.g park pond, should the swan be put down or shot in order to protect the peace of the pond? I will add the caveat that I do not know if that is what actually occurred in this case but I think the question holds Added This link as I think some of the pensioners talk a lot of sense http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/17/pensioners-tool-up-to-fight-swans/ Edited August 8, 2017 by reg Spelckr thinks swans like to draw each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haza Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 The reason given for the swan being shot was because it was suffering so much from is injuries and truama we did not see it being shot but everyone there watch as the two swans where put into bags and took away ,what I witnessed I did so did others I'm not in the habit of lying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, haza said: The reason given for the swan being shot was because it was suffering so much from is injuries and truama we did not see it being shot but everyone there watch as the two swans where put into bags and took away ,what I witnessed I did so did others I'm not in the habit of lying Sorry I wasn't calling you a liar, wouldn't do that. I sincerely apologise if it came across like that. Given you a greener as a small compensation. That is why I posed the question a a hypothetical. When I said "Whether the RSPCA have the right to shoot a Swan because it is scaring people, if in fact that is what they did, is debatable" I meant did they shoot it because it was scaring people I was not contesting whether it was put down or not. My poor use of the language You of appeared to of answered the hypothetical in that the reason was because of injuries and trauma and not public nuisance. Edited August 8, 2017 by reg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frahkn Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 27 minutes ago, haza said: The reason given for the swan being shot was because it was suffering so much from is injuries and truama we did not see it being shot but everyone there watch as the two swans where put into bags and took away ,what I witnessed I did so did others I'm not in the habit of lying That's hopeless - if you were in the habit of lying then you might be lying about your habit of lying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 24 minutes ago, frahkn said: That's hopeless - if you were in the habit of lying then you might be lying about your habit of lying. Sorry your confused Haza us not an American president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 As well as wings Swans have good strong lungs too. They've been seen by airline pilots flying merrily along at 30,000 ft or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Bob Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 12 hours ago, haza said: Some time back I went fishing with my other half ,he was fishing .i sunbathing ,that was until there was this almighty screaming and shouting this swan was trying its utmost to serious harm to a fellow fisherman ,every one on the pool had to take cover in there cars ,when the swan had got now one else to attack ,,he turned on another swan ,it was horrific ,,I said it was like it was a fight to the death ,,,and how right I was it killed the other swan ,,the RSPCA where called and they had to shot it . I have seen first hand what damage the swan can do ,,I would not want to see anything like that again Did it break anyone's arm (male or female)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharl Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Swans can be a bit of a bugger as this clip shows attacking a dog in a park. Though TBH if that was my dog rather than keep it there I think I would have moved off, but it goes to show that Swans can be menacing towards other animals which are showing no agrees ion towards them. Think in this case the dog was more sensible then its owner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Reed Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Dharl said: Swans can be a bit of a bugger as this clip shows attacking a dog in a park. Though TBH if that was my dog rather than keep it there I think I would have moved off, but it goes to show that Swans can be menacing towards other animals which are showing no agrees ion towards them. Think in this case the dog was more sensible then its owner! How many legs did this dog have broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Reed Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 16 hours ago, haza said: Some time back I went fishing with my other half ,he was fishing .i sunbathing ,that was until there was this almighty screaming and shouting this swan was trying its utmost to serious harm to a fellow fisherman ,every one on the pool had to take cover in there cars ,when the swan had got now one else to attack ,,he turned on another swan ,it was horrific ,,I said it was like it was a fight to the death ,,,and how right I was it killed the other swan ,,the RSPCA where called and they had to shot it . I have seen first hand what damage the swan can do ,,I would not want to see anything like that again And none of the fishermen/women/people thought to use their rods/poles/catapaults to protect themselves? They all ran back to their cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac of Cygnet Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Dharl said: Swans can be a bit of a bugger as this clip shows attacking a dog in a park. Though TBH if that was my dog rather than keep it there I think I would have moved off, but it goes to show that Swans can be menacing towards other animals which are showing no agrees ion towards them. Think in this case the dog was more sensible then its owner! But look at where the clip was shot. The swan was just fed up with all these Humans knowing their Rights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Dharl said: Swans can be a bit of a bugger as this clip shows attacking a dog in a park. Having watched the clip from beginning to end I didn't see a swan attacking a dog! I saw a swan performing a threat display at a potential predator. The dog was never even touched as far as I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Riley Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 39 minutes ago, Jerra said: Having watched the clip from beginning to end I didn't see a swan attacking a dog! I saw a swan performing a threat display at a potential predator. The dog was never even touched as far as I can see. It can break an arm with a stern look! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Reed Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Jim Riley said: It can break an arm with a stern look! A swan cannot break your arm. but it can give you a nasty burn if it's a vesta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Riley Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 I can't match that! I'd best swan off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 7 hours ago, bizzard said: As well as wings Swans have good strong lungs too. They've been seen by airline pilots flying merrily along at 30,000 ft or so. Pah! Rüpell's Vulture can almost double that https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_by_flight_heights 14 minutes ago, Jim Riley said: I can't match that! I'd best swan off. Stick it to 'im, Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharl Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 13 hours ago, Jerra said: Having watched the clip from beginning to end I didn't see a swan attacking a dog! I saw a swan performing a threat display at a potential predator. The dog was never even touched as far as I can see. And with this dog being sensible enough not to respond, not helped by it's owner trying to drag the dog closer! However dogs are also territorial so if a swan was in their 'area' they could respond in like. Nature is red in tooth and claw, never mind beaks and wings breaking a mans arm ( and he is getting very tired of that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Ambrose Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 On 07/08/2017 at 22:23, WotEver said: If they were Canada geese then there's no problem with destroying the nest, or addling the eggs. They're an invasive non-native species. The Goose in question was a Greylag. phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Phil Ambrose said: The Goose in question was a Greylag. phil A native species so fully protected by the Wildlife and Countryside Act. Sorry I should have added outside the Shooting Season which in England is (I think) 1/9 - 20/2 Edited August 9, 2017 by Jerra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I will admit to not reading all this about someone asking advice about doing something that is illegal but thought I would just post this link to a report about swans and boats in another place. http://www.narrowboatworld.com/10097-rspca-blame-boater-over-dead-swan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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