magnetman Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 Uxter plate need renewing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, magnetman said: Uxter plate need renewing? As far as I can tell from the photos the hull has been refooted to above the bottom guard, but retaining the original chine angles. This is the sort of repair many GU boats had during BW days. There don't appear to be any other significant hull repairs. Which probably means some significant work is now needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, David Mack said: As far as I can tell from the photos the hull has been refooted to above the bottom guard, but retaining the original chine angles. This is the sort of repair many GU boats had during BW days. There don't appear to be any other significant hull repairs. Which probably means some significant work is now needed. I was wondering what those two plasma cut steel plates are for. In the photo. Edited June 27, 2023 by magnetman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted June 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 20 hours ago, magnetman said: Turbo Perkins 4107 sounds a bit strange.. It sounds "unusual" to me, and frankly far from suitable. However this Wikipedia suggests they were a thing, but also seems to question if any were ever built. Quote Four-cylinder, 107.5 cu. in. (1.8 L) turbocharged diesel engine. Wet sleeves. Very rare (perhaps never produced). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 4 hours ago, alan_fincher said: Even "fit a new cabin range" is a bit of a challenge at the moment. I'm not aware of anybody supplying new ones suitable for use in the back cabin of a motor, and spares seem very difficult for a used one. That sounds a bit optimistic. I've not seen evidence of Lister H series engines in good order for as little money as that, and you are definitely going to need a new prop, which don't come cheaply in sizes suitable for those Listers I know Joe Fuller was selling a Lister engine (possibly with gearbox) for less than £1k recently. I'm not saying it wouldn't need a fair bit of money on it, I'm just saying that assuming the hull is sound, you can do some of the work yourself and you wanted to de-convert it and the boat could be got for around £30k, then you could probably do it all for less than the price of some of the already unconverted motors for sale recently. 3 pot Lister with marine gearbox on Facebook market place for £500 at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted June 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, junior said: 3 pot Lister with marine gearbox on Facebook market place for £500 at the moment. Is that the SL2? If so, they list as having just 9.5 HP - that is decidedly inadequate for a full sized Large Woolwich, even on a canal, let alone on a River. I don't recall ever seeing a working H series engine with gearbox below £2K - if it were I'd expect it to be in fairly poor condition. Edited June 27, 2023 by alan_fincher Add an image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 probably not an SL2 if it is a 3 pot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted June 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 35 minutes ago, magnetman said: probably not an SL2 if it is a 3 pot! Fair comment, but the only one i could see at £500, to include a gearbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Herne Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) Probably this one: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/916857322930366/ HA3? with an SL4 gearbox. In need of work but doesn't look totally knackered to my inexpert eye. Edited June 27, 2023 by Francis Herne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted June 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Francis Herne said: Probably this one: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/916857322930366/ HA3? with an SL4 gearbox. In need of work but doesn't look totally knackered to my inexpert eye. It is listed as "Spares or Repairs", so I doubt it is a running engine. I'm no great expert but don't think it looks like an HA3. My gut feel is that it is a less powerful engine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, alan_fincher said: I'm no great expert but don't think it looks like an HA3. Don't undersell yourself. You know perfectly well it looks nothing like an HA3! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagedamager Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 I've got a lovely HA3 with a Blackstone Box we are looking to sell in the not too distant future........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Herne Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, MtB said: You know perfectly well it looks nothing like an HA3! Oh well, at least this time I doubted myself enough to add a "?" after being totally wrong! 🤐 (What is it then?) Edited June 27, 2023 by Francis Herne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted June 27, 2023 Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 Lister SR/SL/ST 3. I'd go for SR3 as a shot in the dark. I don't think there is much to tell the difference but this is the one in the ad Odd that they took a picture of the gearbox plate but failed to image the engine plate which would give the detail needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted June 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, MtB said: Don't undersell yourself. You know perfectly well it looks nothing like an HA3! I do have an HA3 in the garage, so if it is really important I could try comparing it to the pictures in the advert. I've never seen an HA2 or HA3 mated to a Lister gearbox that wasn't the usual Blackstone one. I think that the punier gearbox in the add points to it being a less powerful engine - S series rather than H series. Edited June 28, 2023 by alan_fincher Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Owen Posted June 28, 2023 Report Share Posted June 28, 2023 ST3 with a LH100 gearbox. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Herne Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) On 27/06/2023 at 10:17, David Mack said: If it was the surveyor who thought an original elm bottom had been replaced in steel, then I wouldn't place much credence in his report! In that light, are there surveyors particularly known or recommended for their knowledge of historic boats? (I had the opposite problem with Lark, being aluminium as un-historic as narrowboats get and thus also quite different from the average). Edited June 29, 2023 by Francis Herne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 4 hours ago, Francis Herne said: In that light, are there surveyors particularly known or recommended for their knowledge of historic boats? (I had the opposite problem with Lark, being aluminium as un-historic as narrowboats get and thus also quite different from the average). Yes, such surveyors exist, and and highly recommended if you don't want trouble in having a survey of an old boat done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckbyLocks Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 Bognor was one of the Trainees motors, captained by New Zealander Cicely Ramsay, paired with Dodona.. Was around in Gas Street in the early 70s, with a JP2 and a doubtful gearbox. Believe it went to Bristol when sold and was converted. Bow thruster and fancy engine fitted. Saw it once in Bristol but didn't know the owners. The Missis made a full length crochet curtain for the bedhole in the cabin but expect that is long gone. It was a nice boat, apart from the gearbox! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 5 hours ago, Francis Herne said: In that light, are there surveyors particularly known or recommended for their knowledge of historic boats? We have had both Fulbourne and Belfast surveyed by Mike Carter. Nice bloke who knows his stuff, and knows where historic boats are likely to have thin plating, pitting and other potential problems. Does most of his inspection with a hammer rather than just relying on a grid of ultrasound thickness measurements that may or may not be taken at the thinnest points. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Yarmouth Interesting history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrowcycles Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Yarmouth https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-traditional-for-sale/736257 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Formerly owned by @Derek R. of this parish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 hours ago, sparrowcycles said: Yarmouth https://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/narrow-boats-traditional-for-sale/736257 and it has an altinator, what ever one of those are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 renown https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304984056340?hash=item4702776214:g:eS0AAOSwZSNkW8BL&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwIV%2BVAmk%2BlJb5BiBzHAsNp4ql6VHQQZn6pM5CrKvAry3cQA3eUcb8snbn7Hl75MMnmpAh%2BNokNmWKPZda91o2A%2BBRT3mxHpMh%2B33tjutrLIjgy7hjiq45%2F9iPQA5a9okoJ0o7JqriaNRUkGm1AJN%2Fzgt26Ms81PwouPypLJ6IjeZd32T%2Blyd%2FWOW7S2%2B32DSH3AcfeegyTI1J45RSrWoMvPBhCfsXAD%2FcwcJO4yPabSEcunjx27H5dfPxw5G2wkHpQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4z_94GjYg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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