The Riser at Berko under threat.

[David Mack]

Always stop for a pint or two when passing through. It would be a great shame if it were lost through the actions of one nimby neighbour and petty bureaucracy.

 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/therisingsunberkhamsted

[Tonka]

Can't belive the council are taking action over 1 complaint. When we had someone complain about noise my child was making the council came and said that 1 complaint was not enough

[Tony Brooks]

Just now, Tonka said:

Can't belive the council are taking action over 1 complaint. When we had someone complain about noise my child was making the council came and said that 1 complaint was not enough

 

Ah, but it depends on exactly who made the complaint, who they know, and how ready the council officers think there may be brown envelopes distributed - or Harrods hampers! I don't know the pub, but wonder abut the development potential if they had to sell up.

[Jerra]

Possibly the complainer sees the pub as a nice house they could move into.

[GUMPY]

Read the history on the Risers page.

It appears to be down to homophobia. 

I would be more concerned about the number of police visits in a short space of time and nothing found. 

It's never what you know but always who you know.

[Tonka]

3 minutes ago, GUMPY said:

Read the history on the Risers page.

It appears to be down to homophobia. 

I would be more concerned about the number of police visits in a short space of time and nothing found. 

It's never what you know but always who you know.

have you a link for that because the riser doesnt have a website

[blackrose]

So it's Down with the Riser? 

 

As if pubs don't have enough trouble remaining viable these days...

[magnetman]

Maybe it should be renamed The Setting Sun. 

 

[alan_fincher]

1 hour ago, Tony Brooks said:

I don't know the pub, but wonder abut the development potential if they had to sell up.

 

I don't think there is huge potential for the area of land occupied by the Rising Sun, (aka "Riser").

It is fairly unusual that it faces out on to the adjacent lock (Lock 55), and is not actually on a road, being accessible from the nearest road only via an unmade track.

It is a small pub, with virtually no outside area, relying on the lockside for a chance of an outside drink.

 

It is in my view one of the very best pubs surviving on the GU, and it would be a great shame if anything brought that to an end.

[Tonka]

19 minutes ago, alan_fincher said:

 

I don't think there is huge potential for the area of land occupied by the Rising Sun, (aka "Riser").

It is fairly unusual that it faces out on to the adjacent lock (Lock 55), and is not actually on a road, being accessible from the nearest road only via an unmade track.

It is a small pub, with virtually no outside area, relying on the lockside for a chance of an outside drink.

 

It is in my view one of the very best pubs surviving on the GU, and it would be a great shame if anything brought that to an end.

Have got to agree with you. We want through when they were doing the Macmillan Coffee morning. Loads of cake and money raised. We went back on free food Friday when they send round platters of free food.

 

There dog made friends with our dog

[GUMPY]

2 hours ago, Tonka said:

have you a link for that because the riser doesnt have a website

It's all on here 

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/therisingsunberkhamsted

 

 

 

[Victor Vectis]

I don't usually respond to crowdfunding requests but the Riser is worth the price of a pint.

 

Last time we went that way we took our own glasses into the pub for a takeaway and headed on south.

[IanD]

The fact that all this can be cause by one neighbour who moves in next to the pub *and then complains about the noise* is sad but unfortunately not uncommon, it's also happened with things like church bells/bellringers... 😞 

 

It's not like justified complaints such as a previously quiet pub that's suddenly started having loud rock bands on -- it seems like it's "normal pub noise", and the pub was there before they moved in so they can hardly claim to be unaware of it. Maybe they bought the house cheap because it was near a pub, and are now regretting it or want to increase the house value further by shutting down the pub? It doesn't sound like anyone else nearby is objecting, just one NIMBY...

 

We looked at just such a house which was a bargain, and decided that though being next to a pub sounds great in theory there's likely to be noise, and the lower price didn't make us want to risk this...

Edited Friday at 16:13 by IanD

[MtB]

3 hours ago, IanD said:

The fact that all this can be cause by one neighbour who moves in next to the pub *and then complains about the noise* is sad but unfortunately not uncommon, it's also happened with things like church bells/bellringers... 😞 

 

The worst case of this I ever heard about was a RAF flying instructor. He bought a house close to the airfield he instructed at, close enough for him to walk to work. Many years later and shortly after he retired from the RAF, he started a campaign to get flying stopped from that airfield on account of the aircraft noise disturbing him. 

 

Brilliant! 

[magnetman]

3 hours ago, IanD said:

The fact that all this can be cause by one neighbour who moves in next to the pub *and then complains about the noise* is sad but unfortunately not uncommon, it's also happened with things like church bells/bellringers... 😞 

 

 

This also happened in Limehouse marina. An idiot bought a ridiculously expensive flat and looked out the window to see a Thames sailing barge mast sticking up. It spoiled their view terribly so they complained about it. I suppose to be fair if you buy a flat by a marina the last thing you want to see is Boats. Its obvious really. 

 

The sailing barge has been removed and is now rotting somewhere in a creek in Essex. 

 

 

[GUMPY]

AIUI 

The guy behind this who is pushing someone else to complain has lived next to the pub for 25+ years. 

As I said earlier homophobia is the key.

[Tonka]

14 hours ago, GUMPY said:

AIUI 

The guy behind this who is pushing someone else to complain has lived next to the pub for 25+ years. 

As I said earlier homophobia is the key.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion 

[GUMPY]

13 minutes ago, Tonka said:

Not sure how you came to that conclusion 

Because I used to know the person concerned. Many years ago before he moved to Berko

 

Edited Saturday at 12:36 by GUMPY

[NB Alnwick]

This is far from an unusual matter - many years ago when working 'in the trade' a flat above one of our pubs was let to a difficult tennant by our estates department - that tennant then complained to the local authority and their environmental health officer warned us that unless we took steps to prevent the alleged nuisance we would be prosecuted. The alleged nuisance included:

• The sound of people talking,
• Loud laughter,
• The sound of a bell whenever a cash register was used,

That particular pub didn't have music, a juke box, or any coin operated amusement machines. In our opinion it was well run and fairly quiet so we let them take us to court - the various court cases stretched out for more than twelve months until we raised it to a higher court where the complaint was eventually dismissed but the cost of defending the case was immense and more than a individual pub owner operator could likely afford. That was in the 1980s, complainers have a lot more in their favour these days . . .

Edited Saturday at 12:57 by NB Alnwick

[IanD]

17 minutes ago, NB Alnwick said:

This is far from an unusual matter - many years ago when working 'in the trade' a flat above one of our pubs was let to a difficult tennant by our estates department - that tennant then complained to the local authority and their environmental health officer warned us that unless we took steps to prevent the alleged nuisance we would be prosecuted. The alleged nuisance included:

• The sound of people talking,
• Loud laughter,
• The sound of a bell whenever a cash register was used,

That particular pub didn't have music, a juke box, or any coin operated amusement machines. In our opinion it was well run and fairly quiet so we let them take us to court - the various court cases stretched out for more than twelve months until we raised it to a higher court where the complaint was eventually dismissed but the cost of defending the case was immense and more than a individual pub owner operator could likely afford. That was in the 1980s, complainers have a lot more in their favour these days . . .

Was it David Tennant? 😉

[Tigerr]

38 minutes ago, GUMPY said:

Because I used to know the person concerned. Many years ago before he moved to Berko

 

Tell us more! 

[GUMPY]

1 hour ago, Tigerr said:

Tell us more! 

No

I don't want to get taken to court😲

[Victor Vectis]

Yeahbut...

Have any of the posters stumped up some cash to help the Riser?

[GUMPY]

Yes at least one other I saw on the list plus me.

[Mac of Cygnet]

7 hours ago, GUMPY said:

Because I used to know the person concerned. Many years ago before he moved to Berko

 

You obviously have some inside knowledge of the situation, but the link you gave earlier gave a hint.  The licencees (owners?) are 'Mark and Nigel' which from your comments I would infer that they are gay, and that the persecution is because of this.  If so, then it would be local common knowledge  who is behind it. In which case someone should have a serious word, and I am amazed that such attitudes persist. The multiple visits from the police are serious, but then homophobia is not unknown in that quarter.....

If not, then your comments are dangerously misleading. But perhaps the tag line below your posts is relevant?